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Harry’s over for a Court case but not to see his Papa. đŸ€”

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FriedGreenTomatoes2 Tue 08-Apr-25 12:56:51

Charles & Camilla flew out to Rome on a planned visit so they missed one another by mere hours. Harry obviously didn’t want to spend any time with them. He will have known of their itinerary. There are so few occasions when he does fly over now from Montecito. An opportunity lost, especially with his father’s health I think.

Boz Sat 03-May-25 09:08:23

So the King and Camilla could have a nice cup of tea with Harry after their Canadian Tour?
What !!!
The conversation then used to promote another book or interview?
The toxic Susseses have to find one and a half millions to pay costs for this case.
An awful lot of jam to make or another self-pitying memoir.

Mollygo Sat 03-May-25 09:09:27

Since Harry played out his problems in public, via the Oprah interview and his book, and now his latest sob story, we can’t really say we know nothing.
We know what he claims, and we know what we saw, heard or read.

What we don’t really know is the impact that had on those family members he was talking or writing about.

I hoped Harry and Meghan could make a good life for themselves away from all the vitriol he has spouted, but now it seems he doesn’t want to do that either.

I found the reference to Prince George or what Prince Louis “might do” and the dismissal of Princess Charlotte rather unkind, since we don’t know any of the royal children.

AGAA4 Sat 03-May-25 09:12:47

It would be best for Harry and his family to remain estranged for now. Charles is having treatment for cancer and the last thing he needs is a toxic relationship.
It is sad for all concerned and as Harry gets older he will regret not having his family and being unable to visit the UK with his wife and children but he did so much damage airing his problems with them to the whole world.

Anniebach Sat 03-May-25 09:14:42

Charlotte is after George so before Louis

NotSpaghetti Sat 03-May-25 09:32:43

I wish they has gone to Africa (when they stopped being "working royals") - where they said they both felt so at home.
They might have done some good there, lived quieter (and cheaper?) and more contented lives and been away from the media circus.

I don't know why they didn't even give this a go.

merlotgran Sat 03-May-25 09:36:10

Harry is convinced he ‘cannot bring his family to the UK’ but it didn’t have to be like this.

He is quite happy to pop in and out himself but by making a huge issue out of their security he has, himself, created the problem. There are plenty of nutters out there who would be only too happy to prove him right and not just in the UK.

Boz Sat 03-May-25 09:39:45

NotSpaghetti

I wish they has gone to Africa (when they stopped being "working royals") - where they said they both felt so at home.
They might have done some good there, lived quieter (and cheaper?) and more contented lives and been away from the media circus.

I don't know why they didn't even give this a go.

Because there wasn't any money in it and Meghan desires a celebrity lifestyle that need millions of dollars to feed it.
She is pure L.A.

merlotgran Sat 03-May-25 09:43:59

I don't know why they didn't even give this a go

Meghan only had one aim in sight and that was to return to LA as a Duchess. I doubt she shares Harry’s love of Africa especially as it was nurtured during the ‘Chelsy years’ and the Sentabale debacle is enough proof that not everyone is a pushover.

Anniebach Sat 03-May-25 09:54:48

Was it not in Africa Megan addressed some woman as ‘a woman of colour, your sister’, then in interview ‘how few asked
her is she was ok ‘ always ‘me me, me

Allira Sat 03-May-25 09:58:33

Anniebach

George 6 was the spare for 41 years , Louis may be like Edward

I think Louis might follow his own path in life. I hope he can.

Harry could have done the same without fuss or fanfare.

petra Sat 03-May-25 10:04:02

Poor Harry đŸ˜„ He’s woken up and realised he’s now the spare in his marriage.

Allira Sat 03-May-25 10:08:36

Well, daft as he is, I do hope he's going to be all right.

Edward VIII rarely looked happy after he chose to abdicate.

westendgirl Sat 03-May-25 10:09:14

I think he's gone too far this time. it has long been a "rule " in the Royal Family that they do not air grievances in public.
Harry knows this. I saw the interview yesterday and wondered why he was going down that route again. I should think he has made matters worse.
By the way if he wants to bring his family over why can't he pay for the security ?

Rosie51 Sat 03-May-25 10:09:21

I think it's incredibly sad that Harry decided to play out the family disputes so publicly. The Oprah interview followed up by the book and other interviews on TV giving just his (not always accurate as can be clearly demonstrated) viewpoint sets up some huge barriers to any reconciliation. I've never yet heard or read of him saying anything even resembling guilt or regret for his actions. He says he gave 35 years service to UK, really from the day you were born? Every interview he gives just makes reconciliation that bit harder as he seeks to pile even more blame on everybody else. His self righteous assertion of his complete innocence in every situation is just so deluded. He talks of forgiving his father, brother, stepmother but doesn't give one moment's thought to the idea he needs to ask them to forgive him for anything.
He and Meghan have no relationships with any of their families with the exception of Doria, yet it's everyone else exclusively in the wrong. He really can't expect others to do all the bridge building with him condescending to 'cut the ribbon' once it's finished.

Allira Sat 03-May-25 10:14:01

westendgirl

I think he's gone too far this time. it has long been a "rule " in the Royal Family that they do not air grievances in public.
Harry knows this. I saw the interview yesterday and wondered why he was going down that route again. I should think he has made matters worse.
By the way if he wants to bring his family over why can't he pay for the security ?

He can but his security would not be allowed to carry firearms.
If, of course, he was reconciled with his family, their security would also cover him when he was with them.

He's been listening to the wrong advice, nurturing his grievances and he seems to have burnt his boats now.

Allira Sat 03-May-25 10:21:16

He and Meghan have no relationships with any of their families with the exception of Doria, yet it's everyone else exclusively in the wrong. He really can't expect others to do all the bridge building with him condescending to 'cut the ribbon' once it's finished.

Strange that everyone is out of step but them. Friends have been abandoned along the way as well. It's sad for the children in particular.

William had the same upbringing, endured the same trauma and now gone through more with his wife's illness, his father's illness and what that could mean for him, but we don't hear him constantly bleating about how hard done by he is. Harry was very lucky to be The Spare.

I think he should do the decent thing and abdicate from the line of succession.

JenniferEccles Sat 03-May-25 10:25:05

Is Harry really so lacking in self awareness that he can’t see that this latest interview is likely to make a family reconciliation less likely?

He seems totally unaware that an apology has to come from him for the untold hurt and anguish his behaviour has caused, yet there was no mention of that.

Poor Charles, still undergoing cancer treatment now has this latest petulant outburst from Harry to contender with,.

The rest of the family must be furious, and, I would have thought, be even more wary of allowing him back into their lives.

AGAA4 Sat 03-May-25 10:26:06

I always liked Harry but I think his fate was sealed when he married Meghan. I'm not having a go at her but I think she's brought out the worst in him as there is another side to Harry that was likeable.
Perhaps someone else may have enhanced Harry's nicer side and he would be happy now.

Aveline Sat 03-May-25 10:27:25

Every time I see him whining on I feel more and more grateful for Charles, William and Catherine.

GrannyGravy13 Sat 03-May-25 10:30:26

For what my opinion on this is worth, I think he has come to realise that he has made an enormous mistake by deliberately airing his dirty linen in public.

I have seen the interview he gave yesterday, it was full of his angst, he could have been more apologetic and humble, but I do not think that is his style

He referred to his children as my father’s grandchildren which I thought was odd, but I hazard a guess that it was done to emphasise their closeness to the throne.

I hope he can find happiness and peace of mind in California and that any future private conversations or meetings with his U.K. family remain just that private and not a front page spread on some gossip magazine.

M0nica Sat 03-May-25 10:35:55

Cambsnan

He is a sad damaged little boy. A good father would reach out to comfort him.

A good father did - for a long time. Prince Harry has had access to the best psychological help. loosing a parent is not unique. It happens to many children, sadly, but most have the gumption to come to come to terms with their loss and live happy and satisfactory lives.

Both my mother and DiL had to deal wth death of their fathers when they were still children. Obviously this is something that never left them, but neither has ever played the 'poor little me' victim card.

Allira Sat 03-May-25 10:41:35

Well said, M0nica

eazybee Sat 03-May-25 11:06:23

I watched the interview, the first one of his I have seen, and my instinctive reaction was 'he is mad.' Not a word used nowadays as so much more is understood about mental health, but it is clear he is unbalanced, has lost touch with reality, his reality, that is life within the royal family. He is obsessed with the status he has lost, through his own choice, and will not see that if he does not work for the royal family he is not entitled to the special protection he considers his birthright. And if he can damage his father, so much the better.

The vicious side to his character was very apparent; if he even knew who Charles 1 was I would think he was attempting to start a Civil War, calling in Starmer to defend him against the wicked King. No sense of timing; his father's popularity is high whereas Starmer's is at an all time low, but I doubt if he has any idea of or interest in, British politics. Several dark warnings about names and facts he knew so a new 'book' in the offing.
He claims not to have been happy when here; clearly he is not happy now, but a perfect advertisement for the techniques of brainwashing: separate from all family, friends and known connections.
But the hair-weaving is good.

henetha Sat 03-May-25 11:22:37

I must admit to a feeling of sympathy for Harry while watching this interview. But he doesn't seem to realise that he brought his troubles upon himself really. He doesn't seem to want to apologise for the way he behaved after leaving the Uk. Who can blame the royal family for being very very wary of him.
In my humble opinion he should just settle down in his new life, concentrate on his family, and try to do some good in the world somehow. He's burned his bridges here, I think.

JenniferEccles Sat 03-May-25 11:25:47

What would happen to Harry if the marriage broke down?
It’s often been said that he’s besotted with his wife but not so much of how she feels about him.
She always is pictured hanging on to him but some interpret that as a form of control.

We all know Meghan has form for jettisoning people once they are no longer any use to her.
The ex-husband was sent packing by text message. She has cut herself off from her entire family apart from her mother, and numerous friends have been dumped over the years.

Then there are many accusations of bullying from staff, which all build up a picture of an extremely ruthless woman.