Is intolerance getting worse on GN?

Bad timing - my waffle about singers was not intended to minimise people’s experiences at all.

Of course we all react when people are ‘mean’ to us (difficult to find the right word there). I reacted to being called ‘uppity’ and cast as someone over-reacting to posts that actually made the papers, particularly as the person saying so is doubly anonymous- we don’t know who she was on the original thread, but clearly the group who she says were ‘not pleased with me’ do. I paraphrase but that was the gist.

We are all human, and we don’t know what’s going on in one another’s lives at any given time. That applies to people taking offence at comments, but often to those making them too. We can all be snippy if we’ve had a bad day or are upset by something, and sometimes things just come over badly.

I never want to cause hurt, but probably have done, for all the reasons above. I doubt many regular posters can be sure that they haven’t upset anyone either.

Kandinsky I think you have every reason to be angry.Let the moderators sort it out.

I think with any creative or artistic well known people it’s often better not to know too much about their personal life if you like their music or art for example.
Once you know something about them, if they are open about it and even boastful then it’s hard to ignore and is off putting.
I don’t include their politics in that, it would have to be something really repugnant.

kittylester

*Spinnaker*, yes I was. Sorry for the confusion.

No problemkittylester

So from memory - you’re basically accusing me of scaring you for life and making you frightened & scared.
You’ve posted my name all over this thread and made serious allegations against me without any solid evidence.

I’m going to have to report every single one of your posts where you’ve made allegations against me.

Spinnaker, yes I was. Sorry for the confusion.

To return to Rod Stewart - I think that singers and bands have carefully crafted public images, and they are important to their fan bases. I’ve never liked Rod’s - the attitude to women (some of his lyrics are shocking) and his arrogance annoy me, and I don’t identify with him in any way - but I can enjoy listening to his early music. Bob Dylan can’t sing, but I love his lyrics and his protest politics (no idea of his current views) so I overlook the lack of a singing voice. Michael Jackson’s behaviour was dreadful, but I do enjoy a bit of Rockin’ Robin. Punk bands were supported by rebellious teens, and finding out that a pogo-dancing spitting lead singer was a card-carrying member of the Young Conservatives would be career suicide . I used to love Billy Bragg, but can’t bear him since he allied himself to the trans movement in a way that was so dismissive of women.

I suppose it might come down to whether we are listening to a song about seduction (in which case, for me, knowing someone supported Enoch Powell in the past and now aligns with Farage puts me right off) or catchy pop songs with a child as front man, in which case I can detach from what came later. I just don’t believe Billy Bragg is sincere about solidarity any more, and find his ‘normal bloke’ image grating. Bruce Springsteen, on the other hand, puts his money where his mouth is - totally different kettle of fish.

Image does matter, I think, and unless a band/singer is overtly political they are better off keeping those opinions to themselves.

So you can’t find the thread? Is that what you’re saying?

Kandinsky, last night before writing that I looked and searched all number of key words, as of course I wanted to be absolutely accurate. But the memory, just like Bluebelle says just above,

"When I first joined I was badly rebuked by a very popular poster.... who is now deceased, some will know who I am talking about I felt terrible and like a shy little first day at school girl"

The memory is burned into me and what it made me feel which was clearly I realised it was out of order to say "Get a life" I was afraid you would know it was me reporting you and you would come after me harder.

Snap, Bluebelle. I can't even remember what I said.

But, I don't think so many people did similar things.

And, it seems more personal now.

Wyllow3
What thread did I say this on? I’d like to check it myself.

When I first joined I was badly rebuked by a very popular poster who is now deceased, some will know who I am talking about I felt terrible and like a shy little first day at school girl I actually didn’t post for a very long time something like a year after that so I think it always been so

As regards my controversial above re a retort of "Get a life, I've asked the mods to change it to "a right winger".

Believe me I was scared, and very, very upset: of course, I tried for. some time to find the thread.

May I say, of course there are many posters like myself at that time, new, very needy of community and interested in the subject: but of course since the post, as it ^immediately followed mine, refereed to my post.

I can't ever forget it: talking me to "get a life", it felt cruel to a newby.

If we say something like "get a life" should we not think of the effect?

Ah right - ok thank you.

Kandinsky

*Why would you report that*

She’s calling me a ‘righty’ and referring to me as not a very nice person.
It’s a personal attack.
But HQ can decide. I’ve left it in their hands.

I might be wrong but I think Kittylester was asking Wyllow why she would report your post Kandinsky ?

We should probably leave the other thread now. People can read it and decide for themselves, and although some posts have been deleted it’s clear what went on. Posters can interpret that in their own way and reach their own conclusions one way or another. A good reason for non-deletion in my view.

Why would you report that

She’s calling me a ‘righty’ and referring to me as not a very nice person.
It’s a personal attack.
But HQ can decide. I’ve left it in their hands.

In 1987, I wrote xxxxx and xxxxx retorted xxxxx, and we got reported for xxxxx, but we made up and lived happily ever after, just occasionally bringing up irritations 40 years later!
Sorry, Magenta8, I'm not really getting at you and the introduction of ATAAT.
It's very hot here. Going to get 37° today.

Wyllow3

I recall so clearly just after I had joined criticising Farage in broad terms ie not mocking, but his politics, the connection with the right in the USA.

Kandinsky retorted "get a life".

I was too afraid to report it as I was new. Clearly an unknown at that point, as I didnt of course know anyone else either

So yes, "righties", do do some things that are difficult to handle - and upsetting. def not just "lefties", of which I am one, but I have never ever been reported.

Why would you report that?

Raficha, conversations in real life deviate.

So yes, "righties", do do some things that are difficult to handle - and upsetting. def not just "lefties", of which I am one, but I have never ever been reported

Well I’m reporting you now for bringing up a thread about a thread.

Wyllow3

It’s actually very bad form to bring up comments made months ( possibly years? ) ago on an entirely different thread - but if you must insist on doing so perhaps include exactly what you said too - for context.
And I doubt anyone is. ‘too scared’ to report as no one knows who’s reporting- it remains anonymous.

The subject was in Chat, as is this one.
The entire thread, mostly revolved around the subject - the trouser suit. Even the final page 40 is full of pictures of garments and discussion about Cefinn and other styles. No one deviated much at all, other than some weird talk about kittens?? 🐈 Very few vilified AR.
Rudeness to other posters was not evident from the majority because for most, that is unacceptable.

However, I do apologise for my use of the word "uppity" on this thread, because thinking about the word afterwards, I got it very wrong. (Put it down to being in France for weeks and speaking only French!) I meant "irritable" . At least on GN when I'm wrong, I say I'm wrong.
But I think, as Oreo said, enough is enough or tolerance here from readers will go out the window.

My own personal opinion is that people who chat amongst themselves and deviate from the topic are disrespectful and when someone's dares get back to the subject of the original post they are ignored.
I really do not find it acceptable to do this, it's rude and bad manners.
I agree with Doodledog opinions differ on this.

Well, I say never been reported, but I mean of course never been deleted. Do the moderators tell you if you are reported and but not delete?

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