Is intolerance getting worse on GN?

I choose to join, end of.

Mollygo

You can do any of those things, W3 but unless those who can’t or won’t join, you can only have a semi multi cultural group.
Which is what we have.

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You can do any of those things, W3 but unless those who can’t or won’t join, you can only have a semi multi cultural group.
Which is what we have.

True.

But you can choose whether to make an effort towards it, or against it.

You can choose who you mix with. You can choose a POV to live by.

I've joined an Interfaith group.

Yes: various Christians, Muslims, Jewish people, Buddhists.

I am choosing, as they are, to be multi cultural and furthering the aim to live together as best possible.

First meeting coming up, so yet to see how it goes. But they have events like shared meals where everyone brings something to share.

Or you can choose to join a group, social or political, that dislikes Multiculturalism.

We can claim to be happy to be multicultural. But you can only truly live multiculturally if the other cultures want to do the same.

Both in Liverpool and where we live now, there is a wide range of cultures, some of whom we mix easily with, at work, at sport, or at the gym for example.

But there are also groups who do not want to or aren’t allowed to mix and live multiculturally with us or the other cultures in our region.

Ultimately that opinion depends on whether we want to live multi-culturally, which I do, very much, or try to shut us off from "others"...

... which is a retreat from that multiculturalism, and is not possible anyway

I'm not quite sure what you mean, Galaxy, but it sounds really interesting.

I mean, I do agree about not banning, because I think the "carrot not stick" approach is ultimately more successful.

People making their own decisions - it's more powerful and works better than ordering people to do things, as it just causes resentment, and where does that get us in terms of best living multi culturally?

So you know when everyone speaks about second generation/third generation embracing modern values, so for example it is argued we shouldn't ban the hijab because young women will likely reject face coverings anyway, what values are influencing them?

Its interesting to widen the discussion as regards cultures in other countries other than the UK.

I'd felt continuing the discussion as regards multiculturalism in the UK was very valuable, in terms of very strong the strong opposing views held in the UK, those opposing views shaping our political and social decisions.

Where one POV is, as I said above that its appalling what happens to Muslim girls, when in fact, appalling things happen to white girls around us behind closed doors in apparently the most respectable families

I'd welcome comments on this line (without wishing to exclude what other posters want to say, of course).

Galaxy

Because cultures where for example gay people are killed for their sexuality or where women aren't permitted education etc are worse than ours.

But the more worrying implication from another post I just read is that because bad things happen here, we shouldn’t be critical or concerned about the ills in other countries.

Sarcasm doesn't travel well on the Internet so my fault.
There are values that are important to champion, we shouldn't be frightened of that.

Sorry Galaxy. In getting too serious in mine

No I was being sarcastic in my irritation

Galaxy, did yiu miss out ‘absolutely incomparable’ ?

Yes being a woman in Afghanistan or being a gay person in Iran is absolutely comparable to being a gay person or a woman in most European countries. It's not to do with colour. Abuse of women happens everywhere, if that abuse is enshrined in the law of a country it is a different matter.

Which cultures are they?

Women of all ethnic backgrounds may have some shady figure waiting in the background to escort them home.

Because cultures where for example gay people are killed for their sexuality or where women aren't permitted education etc are worse than ours.

I would like to add something as I feel the POV I was contesting has further considerations.

Amongst the White population, there are Women, girls, and yes also men, who are terrified of a parent or grandparent. We can also be made as terrified as the girl who the poster referred to above.

Terrified to go home, terrified to speak up about what is happening to them. There are wives whose husbands beat them up. there is coercive abuse - why, we read about it on the Estrangement threads here just sometimes, or in AIBU queries.

Men, Women and Children who have money withheld from them.

I cannot say how strongly enough I feel about this.

*Here "We" are, imo arrogantly criticising another culture...

.... when horrific things go on in ours*?

How can we? why do we not criticise across the board? Yes, of course there are some cultural elements where there are particular types of abuse, but then, so there are in White culture.

For example, weird "cults" where all sorts of organisations coerce particularly young vulnerable men and women.

Time to stop picking on one culture imo.

Time to put that behind us

My husband came to England from a commonwealth country in 1948. Very conventional childhood, went to grammar school, joined the police as first ethnic minority officer in his force, married me. All very ordinary and I can't see his colour or where he was born has ever been an issue to us although it has to some others.

Thanks Wyllow3, I share your view that living in a place with a ‘more diverse’ populations leads to greater understanding and communication. I don’t doubt the example given by Promrose either but I could give so many others than paint a different picture

My soon to be granddaughter by marriage a prime example. Independent, successful career

BTW, I must add, I do not doubt, Primrose, your story, and that there are many like that:

But I think perhaps we should consider presenting a balanced picture?

(I was addressing Primrose, Allira*.)

I could give you and all here personal examples of exactly the opposite.

1. The young muslim woman who works in our doctors reception for example, laughing, happy, extremely capable, picked up after work by a friendly husband.

The Muslim woman who works at the local Boots Hearing Centre testing frequencies on poorly ears: we were chatting during Covid. I've had to put my marriage off, she said, "we'll just have to wait longer" -"We decided this, we decided that"

The clear moral of this tale is that those posters who want to look for "poor oppressed Muslim women" will do so, and have done so, and ignore others

Those of us who know personally Muslim women we meet socially or medically or observe as we go about our daily lives have our stories to tell too.

To be fair, I live in a big multicultural city, and am a member of our local interfaith group which of course includes muslims who wish to heal our differences not drive us apart:

And I'm a member of a gym in a multicultural area with both men and women in of different backgrounds

....and I dont think people who live in smaller situations have the same opportunities

I know several people who are in 'mixed marriages'.
At least two are first-generation immigrants.

Mt61

A lovely young Asian girl use to thread my eyebrows- very quiet, but once we got to know each other, she told me the guy outside was her uncle, and would sit for the few hours she worked, keeping an eye on her. She didn’t speak English too well, but told me enough, that sounded as though they kept her indoors most of the time. The husband she had married, had a kid with a western girlfriend who she called a W. She was very sad & would cry often. I felt so sorry for her.

Many years ago I worked with a beautiful Asian girl. She wore Western clothes and was very trendy and great fun.

She never came out with the rest of us outside of work and it was quite a while before she admitted she was a prisoner in her own home. She had several brothers and they took turns dropping her off at work and picking her up. She was never allowed outside apart from work.