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The most vulnerable group in society

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Doloki Wed 02-Jul-25 13:36:28

Vulnerability ain't a one-size-fits-all thing. Folks keep sayin' this group or that group is "the most vulnerable"—pensioners, trans people, the homeless, kids in poverty, you name it. Truth is, anyone can be vulnerable dependin’ on their situation. A poor single mum strugglin' to feed her kid might be worse off than a pensioner with a house and a steady cheque.

Labelin’ whole groups as "vulnerable" can be handy to get support or funding, but it also sets up this weird tug-o-war—like if we help asylum seekers, we’re takin' somethin' away from the disabled, or if we protect pensioners, the young get shafted. That’s not how it works.

Vulnerability shifts—what hits one person hard might not bother another. It’s not always clear-cut, and sometimes people wearin’ the “vulnerable” label might not even see themselves that way. We should stop makin’ it a contest. Folks strugglin’ need help, simple as that, no matter what group they’re in.

ronib Wed 02-Jul-25 13:36:14

I think without doubt that families with a parent who has a very disabling mental illness will be the most vulnerable.

Doodledog Wed 02-Jul-25 13:32:22

Maybe it comes down to absolute and relative vulnerability, in the same way as poverty is differentiated?

Babies and small children are absolutely vulnerable, in that they would die without someone to care for all their needs. Severely disabled people can come into that category too, but most others would be somewhere on a relative vulnerability scale.

I don't think that transpeople are necessarily vulnerable at all, but in some situations they may be more at risk of attack than others.

Some older people can be vulnerable if they are frail or isolated, and most people reach the point where they would struggle to earn a living, but others are fit, well-connected and financially secure, so as a group I don't see pensioners as vulnerable. Maybe when something like the pandemic hits, or in circumstances where physical strength is required they would share vulnerability with others of all ages who have health issues, but on the whole they are a mixed bag.

Most homeless people are vulnerable, as they are not in charge of their own living arrangements, but there is a huge difference between someone living with loving parents and someone on the streets.

So maybe (many of) the very old and all of the very young are absolutely vulnerable, and for everyone else it depends on a number of factors.

People can be vulnerable to various things, such as catching illnesses or falling into poverty, but perhaps that's slightly different from being vulnerable as a state in itself? Or is that overthinking?

woodenspoon Wed 02-Jul-25 13:30:19

I, too, think it’s babies and children followed by those born with disabilities that prevent them from living an independent lifestyle. Basically, those who are unable to speak for themselves and rely on others to do the right thing by them and for them.

keepingquiet Wed 02-Jul-25 13:26:29

Ilovecheese

I consider small children to be the most vulnerable in society, with absolute conviction.
They have no voice and no power of any kind.

At last! Someone speaking up for the kids! At least it seems someone cares about the children...not just me. I'm probably one of the least vulnerable people I know...

Lathyrus3 Wed 02-Jul-25 13:23:38

I think “vulnerable” has been confused with ”disadvantaged”.

Groups of people can be shown to be disadvantaged when they are not able to access what others can.

But “vulnerable” is those who are powerless to to protest, seek justice and direct their own lives.

So I agree that small children and babies are the most vulnerable. And also the severely disabled and the very elderly who have lost capacity.

I don’t consider “vulnerable “ any group that has demonstrated its ability and right to protest, demand or present their particular cause or need.

In being able to do so they are no more vulnerable than anyone else.

flump Wed 02-Jul-25 13:16:15

Thought I'd look up the Oxford Dictionary definition for clarification. (My edition is old - 1999).

vulnerable. adj. exposed to being attacked or harmed, either physically or emotionally.

escaped Wed 02-Jul-25 13:10:54

Ilovecheese

I consider small children to be the most vulnerable in society, with absolute conviction.
They have no voice and no power of any kind.

I agree.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 02-Jul-25 13:08:20

I am with Ilovecheese children are definitely the most vulnerable.

then severely disabled,

then pensioners in poverty,

then people who are in an abusive or coercive relationship,

I think vulnerable is a word bandied around so much nowadays that it’s becoming meaningless.

eazybee Wed 02-Jul-25 13:03:32

I heard a person I believe is trans use exactly that phrase this morning, in an attempt to impose their need to be accepted as what they claim to be, rather than what they are, because of their 'vulnerabilty.'

Ilovecheese Wed 02-Jul-25 12:13:47

I consider small children to be the most vulnerable in society, with absolute conviction.
They have no voice and no power of any kind.

Doodledog Wed 02-Jul-25 12:10:51

We keep hearing that various people make up the 'most vulnerable group in society'. I think (but may be wrong) that the phrase was first coined to describe transpeople, but now it applied to the disabled, to the homeless, to asylum seekers, to pensioners, to children in poverty and probably more. I've just heard Carole Malone describe pensioners as such on Jeremy Vine, which is what inspired me to see what you all think.

I'm not saying that there are no vulnerable people in any of those groups - of course there are - but are all members of any group vulnerable? Is it fair to compare a disabled child with a pensioner, or a transperson with someone in poverty? And why is there a need to do so anyway? Isn't it the case that if someone is vulnerable they are vulnerable, regardless of the vulnerability of others?

Is it that describing a group as 'vulnerable' means that anyone advocating for anything that might reduce what they get is, by definition, 'attacking the vulnerable'? So it's a way of ring-fencing support, in a way? The problem with that is that it leads to situations where groups are pitted against one another, and (for example) the triple lock is assumed to be taking from the young, or PIP payments stopping support for the homeless, and of course the assumption by some that everyone is losing out to asylum seekers. Clearly there have to be rules when it comes to who can claim for what, so I'm not really asking about that, but about the idea that whole groups are (or are not) 'vulnerable' because they are in a particular demographic.

I realise that this is not a clear-cut question, so feel free to deviate, but I suppose it boils down to 'what does being vulnerable mean to you, and/or who do you think is the most vulnerable group in society, and why?'