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Does anyone else feel like we’re living like a dystopian novel?

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Whitewavemark2 Fri 11-Jul-25 12:10:29

Galaxy

I actually don't think it is a good idea for other reasons. I think one of the reasons we have this issue is the disconnect between preparing our own food and eating it ( I say this as someone who eats out quite a lot!) I am not sure that is an effective long term strategy.

You may think so, but the experts in this field think it is necessary.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Fri 11-Jul-25 12:07:04

Now now GG13 you’ve been taught enough times on here that some cannot afford to cook using electric hobs, the price of utility bills, they only have a microwave etc. if that. They eat cereal or sandwiches. 🤷‍♀️

Casdon Fri 11-Jul-25 11:58:44

Galaxy

I actually don't think it is a good idea for other reasons. I think one of the reasons we have this issue is the disconnect between preparing our own food and eating it ( I say this as someone who eats out quite a lot!) I am not sure that is an effective long term strategy.

That’s interesting. Do you mean there should be other initiatives to help people learn how to prepare their own food, or do you have another alternative in mind which could be introduced on the same timescale?

GrannyGravy13 Fri 11-Jul-25 11:56:32

I really do not think we can compare post war British Restaurants with this initiative.

Isn’t it about time people took responsibility for themselves, there are enough cooking programmes on TV, including Jamie Oliver’s who cook simple cheap dishes, easy to prepare with minimum ingredients.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Fri 11-Jul-25 11:52:22

So far then, a ✔️ for ‘it’s a great idea’?

Galaxy Fri 11-Jul-25 11:51:28

I actually don't think it is a good idea for other reasons. I think one of the reasons we have this issue is the disconnect between preparing our own food and eating it ( I say this as someone who eats out quite a lot!) I am not sure that is an effective long term strategy.

Doodledog Fri 11-Jul-25 11:47:26

I would go as far as to say that it's almost Utopian to think about a government initiative that encourages good healthy food being sold cheaply, instead of constant jibes about obesity whilst welcoming another McDonalds to the High Street.

Casdon Fri 11-Jul-25 11:41:18

Given the massive rise in the number of people forced to use foodbanks in the last 10 years, the amount of meals provided to the needy already on a daily basis, and the amount of homelessness, I’d say that if you didn’t think we were already in a dystopian state it’s only because you haven’t opened your eyes to it.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Fri 11-Jul-25 11:38:39

I remember going to a silver service dinner held by the catering department 45 years ago with Himself and another couple. Salford College.

Doodledog Fri 11-Jul-25 11:33:51

Also, if anyone reading would like a cheap meal, look out for FE colleges that run catering courses. They often have restaurants that sell meals cheaply so the students get to try out their skills. If you can find out when the final years are cooking, try to book then grin. That often means the service will be from first years, so might not be as polished as you'd like, but you get a full meal with silver service for little more than cost price. There was one near my workplace, and a group of us used to go every Christmas and through the year when diaries allowed.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 11-Jul-25 11:33:06

Here is more in depth informstion.

In 1940s Britain, at a time before fast food and ready meals were staples of the British high street and in a country struggling to deal with the ramifications of war, a popular new restaurant chain was established.

It served high-quality meals at reasonable prices, attracted customers from the full spectrum of British society, and grew at a rate of 10 new sites a week at its most popular. The brains behind the operation? The British government, led by the prime minister, Winston Churchill.

Churchill’s British Restaurants, a chain of government-funded canteens offering nutritious price-capped meals, were intended to counter inflation in food and fuel prices related to the war, as well as to boost community spirit. At their peak, there were more British Restaurants across the UK than there are branches of McDonald’s or Wetherspoons today.

Now a new report is calling for the return of a “national restaurant service” in some form, as a way to tackle contemporary issues such as health inequality, food insecurity and even climate change in the UK. A forthcoming report entitled Public diners: the idea whose time has come, by food policy NGO Nourish Scotland, marks the beginning of a campaign to introduce restaurants as a new piece of national infrastructure, a call backed by politicians and experts.

A public diner, according to the report, is a state-subsidised eatery serving quality and ethically produced food at affordable prices. Crucially, says Nourish Scotland, they are neither charity nor a treat, but rather everyday eating places for entire communities to access.

“For other aspects of our wellbeing – water, transport, healthcare, even wifi – we have built the public infrastructure to ensure that everyone has quality, universal access. We are missing that in relation to food,” said Abigail McCall, project officer at Nourish Scotland.

“Poor diets have overtaken smoking as the leading cause of preventable ill health for some time now. We need the government to make a bold intervention in our food environment, and invest in delivering what the market doesn’t: healthy, climate-friendly food in a convenient way and at an affordable price.

“The creation of public infrastructure is a big undertaking but we have done it before. We created public railways, parks and libraries. It can be done and it’s easy to see how the diners would pay off given the impact our food has on our health, our environment and our communities.”

The call for a chain of public diners is backed by experts including Dr Christian Reynolds, researcher at the Centre for Food Policy at City, University of London and a global expert in food waste and sustainable diet. “British Restaurants were an effective solution to provide access to good food during the second world war,” he said.

“Today, Nourish Scotland’s proposed public diners – state subsidised, affordable restaurants – make sense in 2024. The model [this report] suggests provides positive benefits in terms of health, local economic support and sustainability outcomes.”

Last year hospital data showed the number of patients in England and Wales being treated for nutritional deficiencies had tripled in a decade while a January 2024 survey by the Food Foundation found 20% of UK households with children reported experiencing food insecurity.

And, Nourish Scotland says, ingredients could be sourced from organic farms, reducing unsustainable food production practices and food waste, and stimulating local economies.

Public diners have already been realised elsewhere in the world. In Poland, government-funded “milk bars” (bar mleczny) gained popularity in the communist era as a way to serve traditional home-cooked food at low prices, and remain numerous today.

Singapore’s “hawker centres”, market-style community dining rooms, emerged as part of the nation’s urban redevelopment following independence, and bring an array of street sellers under one roof to ensure vendors’ access to ingredients and space, as well as food hygiene standards and choice for consumers.

The call for state-subsidised dining in the UK comes amid a growing international movement for public restaurants as key infrastructure.

Former New York Times food writer Mark Bittman, now a global leader in food culture and policy and the founder of non-profit restaurant chain Community Kitchen, described the plan as “brilliant” and “executable”.

I hope that gives you a better more informed idea than the Telegraph with its own agenda.

Doodledog Fri 11-Jul-25 11:28:56

I very much doubt that the money for what seems to be a good initiative has come from taxing companies out of business grin. Also, if these are new initiatives that are still being trialled, how do you know that they will be highly inefficient?

I know nothing about civic kitchens of the 40s, but it seems like a god idea to me. A lot of people come into university refectories to get cheap food, and this looks to be a similar sort of thing - better, really, as it wouldn't stop staff and students getting seats in what is often the only hour they have to grab lunch between appointments. Civic centres used to (or do they still?) open their canteens to the public too. It's cheaper to feed large numbers of people, so why not?

The question, IMO, should be why do people need to have subsidised food in the 6th richest country in the world in 2025?

Usedtobeblonde Fri 11-Jul-25 11:28:24

I was 5 in 1942 to put my post in context.

Magenta8 Fri 11-Jul-25 11:27:35

This is the second stupid idea initiated by government centred round restaurants. Does anyone remember the "Eat out to help out" initiative during the worst of the Covid pandemic which caused a sharp rise in cases?

I don't think this has anything to do with Communism.

I do agree that taxing companies out of business is short sighted and making it even more difficult to become a landlord is not a good idea either when there is such a shortage of affordable housing.

Usedtobeblonde Fri 11-Jul-25 11:26:59

I remember the restaurants referred to.
They were called British Restaurants and there was one in the town where my GP’s lived.
My GM died when I was about 5 and my mother would go to take care of her at the end.
I remember my GF taking me to the restaurant once, I think it may have been in the Town Hall.
I remember nothing other than queuing with him so it may have been self service.
I should not like to comment on the revival of them except to say that things have got pretty appalling in our country today.
When I was a child people were building a country fit for heroes. Whatever went wrong.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 11-Jul-25 11:25:44

So before we get involved with such nonsense as hyperbole - communism etc

Let’s explore this a little more.

So we know that there are millions of families in the U.K. in food poverty.

Most rely on food banks in order to obtain sufficient calories.

We are one if the richest countries in the world, and yet we have this shameful situation, where children in abject poverty are living lives equivalent to the type of Victorian poverty we read about.

The university of Sussex and a Scottish charity, have been exploring this major issue. They are been granted £1.5million to set up initially a couple of not for profit restaurants. The meals will cost approximately £3.00 each. Actually more than many families can afford imo.

These restaurants were originally the idea of Churchill who recognised the high level of food inequality in the U.K. during WW2.

Namsnanny Fri 11-Jul-25 11:19:01

Gg13🤣 and they say we have free speech.

I agree Fgt it's almost as if all our political parties serve the same master, and it isn't the tax payer.....🤔

I've just read that our MPs have had the 'rules' if their job requirements changed, to omit the need to represent their constituents requirements!
What role (other than supporting the will of the gov) will they be serving now then, if no longer epresenting the views of those who gave no other redress?

Pigs in the taxpayers trough.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Fri 11-Jul-25 11:15:04

😁

GrannyGravy13 Fri 11-Jul-25 11:01:18

I could say, but I would rather not be banned 🤬

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Fri 11-Jul-25 10:31:51

The government Ministers this week said they were trialling new state-funded restaurants that would serve meals for as little as £3 in Nottingham and Dundee. The diners, which have received £1.5m of taxpayer funding, will resemble the subsidised civic kitchens of the 1940s.

Peter Kyle, the Science and Technology Secretary, said the aim was to “actively explore the best ways to get healthy food into the mouths of those who need it”. The trial could lead to the launch of similar schemes if successful.

Taxing companies out of business and replacing them by a highly inefficient wasteful government alternative? Wait... That's not socialism. That's communism!

What do you think about this latest ‘initiative’?