Trump said: “On immigration you better get your act together or you’re not going to have Europe anymore.”

Mt61

No but you would love it to be true! Wwm2

Strange comment.

But I certainly would hope that any male who was best friends with Epstein, who was introduced to his eventual wife by Epstein, who is shown with his arm around young girls and spent many hours with Epstein, is investigated and would need to be proven innocent of the abuse and rape of children.

Until that is carried out with the opening of the files, nobody can be sure, and MAGA is beginning to turn away from Trump as a result of his failure to allow the files to be opened.

No but you would love it to be true! Wwm2

Good point Galaxy. I’m sure the files are useful to their mi5-6 equivalents. We know Cyril Smith and others weren’t prosecuted despite overwhelming evidence.
In any event, Trump supporters don’t care about his sexual behaviour or the way everything is a deal that benefits him and his inner circle.
Ethical behaviour means nothing

Galaxy

Trump won't be the only one who will need saving from the epstein files. That type of behaviour cuts across every political divide .

Of course, but there is only one President of the US.

The smoking gun may well be found soon, and Trump knows this.

You can see this in the elements of Trumps behaviour trying every which he can to take attention away from Epstein.

Trump only wished one person well after the trial. And that person was the procuring children who were largely from a broken childhood for the men. Maxwell.

He had nothing to say to all the abused, raped and mentally harmed children.

"Trump won't be the only one who will need saving from the Epstein files" a certain former President Clinton and Saint Bill patron saint of Gates and latter day acquirer of phenomenal amounts of farmland in the US are two such individuals who spring to mind.

Trump won't be the only one who will need saving from the epstein files. That type of behaviour cuts across every political divide .

Well said Madeline and Bluebell 👏👏👏

So Trump is here and the Republicans are in lock down trying to work out how to save Trump from the Epstein files.

There is a DoJ Trump political appointee, visiting Maxwell in prison, who has said that she has “new” evidence, which stinks of corruption imo.

And people are happy to support him😮

Even many of MAGA would not support Trump over this. The WSJ has a lot of MAGA readers.

Trump alluded to some European countries which are tough on migration.
Poland, Hungary, Finland and Estonia have managed it, so it is possible.

I accept that these countries don’t have the same ‘pull factor’ as the UK, so that needs to be addressed.

I said on another thread that I wish we had someone like Trump here.
I stand by that.

Why would anyone ask Trump’s opinion on illegal immigration anyway? I second whoever it was who asked upthread whether some people ever think of anything else.

I lived in London in the 1950s and 60s when everyone had coal fires and the trains still ran on coal. The fog was choking . I can remember having to walk across the common in November and couldn't see in front of my face for the Pea Souper

Please support clean energy. Wind farms and solar farms are far preferable to the polluting alternative.

His hatred of windmills is personal. The Scottish government refused to stop the building of an offshore windfarm, which he claimed 'spoiled the view' from his golf course.
Everything he does or says is about him.
What has he actually ever done, simply to help another?
Everything is transactional?

I agree with you Allira, about the political need to suck up to him, and at the same time I stand by my description.

Kandinsky, how could we afford him? He claims so much expenses for all of his private trips to his various golf clubs. An absolute fortune.
Why would we want to import that amount of fraud?

I accept that our NHS is staffed by a wonderful array of people from all over the globe, the treatment I had at both our nearest hospital when I broke my arm and when I recently had my cataracts done and seen in both instances by many ethnically diverse medics, bore that out.

As a country we have given sanctuary to in the fairly recent past, for example, Asians expelled from Uganda and Vietnamese who have gone on in a remarkably short time to be exemplary citizens who have entered the top professions. It could well be amongst the numbers arriving recently in boats could also be of that nature, although I suspect many are not. We only have to look as to what is rolling out on the high street, a multitude of barber shops that are a front for something entirely different and umpteen foreign criminal gangs, abutting each other and fighting turf wars. I find the analogy between everyone who arrives here as an asylum could be a prospective highly qualified doctor or engineer somewhat naive.

Kandinsky

*On immigration you better get your act together or you’re not going to have Europe anymore*

Absolutely.

Wish he was our PM.

You are of course joking😄

We didn't have a civil war, with neighbours raping and looting and murdering. There were safe havens and more options as we had allies and our enemies were abroad.

I'm not minimising anything, but the situation was different than those in many areas of the world today.

Allira

Yes, pollute with oil instead!!

Or every country could do what the UK has done, close its mines, stop drilling for oil and gas, oh and then import it from other countries who are rubbing their hands together with glee.

More money in their coffers…

On immigration you better get your act together or you’re not going to have Europe anymore

Absolutely.

Wish he was our PM.

Yes, pollute with oil instead!!

Asked by reporters at Prestwick Airport for his advice to European leaders on reducing immigration, the US president said: “I say two things to Europe: Stop the windmills. You’re ruining your countries. I really mean it, it’s so sad.
“You fly over and you see these windmills all over the place, ruining your beautiful fields and valleys and killing your birds, and if they’re stuck in the ocean, ruining your oceans.
“Stop the windmills, and also, I mean, there’s a couple of things I could say, but on immigration, you’d better get your act together or you’re not going to have Europe anymore.

Stop the windmills. That was his reply the question on immigration and he had a lot to say about windmills. His comment about immigration was an afterthought.

Doodledog

Skydancer

GrannyGravy13

I always have wondered why these young men do not stay and fight for their country, as opposed to leaving the women and children behind to exist on their own?

Exactly!!

If the UK came under attack, your home was destroyed, nobody could work and the food supply was slashed, people were being bombed and otherwise killed every day, there were no schools open and your family were suffering beyond anything any of us can imagine, what would you do?

There are few options, but most people would probably try to make the best of it for a while, in the hope that things would improve and because they'd be in shock. After a lot of their money had ben spent on staying alive, they might get together as a family to pool resources and look at possibilities. For many, there would be none; but for those with better resources an option might be to try again in another country and seek asylum.

If some could speak English (more likely than being able to speak other languages) it would make sense to decide to go to an English-speaking country. As putting babies and the elderly in boats would be insanely risky and they wouldn't be able to work anyway, who would you send as pioneers? Such a journey would be a huge risk for everyone, but young, fit men would have the best chance - both of survival and of finding work that would allow them to save and send for the rest of the family later.

Where there is civil war it is often not a case of fighting for one's country - it can be about saving your family from persecution or attack, and even without civil war under dictatorships the same can apply.

No.

This country sent their young children to safe havens during WW2, both here and abroad.

The men stayed and fought, even if they were not able to join the Armed Forces, they did their bit at home, except for a few who were black marketeers and spivs.

"With hindsight, which is a wonderful thing, it would have been better for the wealthier countries to have supported the poorer ones, providing employment and opportunities so that their young people could see a future where they were without migration." Sarnia

Trump is doing the exact opposite of that. He is sowing such seeds of resentment against the US in all the countries he deals with that at some point there will come a time of reckoning.

TerriBull

I think its very important to apply a "not all rationale" in both sides of the argument, not all asylum seekers are genuine, some will be, just as some amongst their numbers will be trouble makers/criminals. Amongst those staying in hotels and those who have been granted settled status, there will be some who have committed criminal acts, and have no intention of changing their ways, which would somewhat prove they are bogus because they wouldn't flout the laws of their host country and they would treat its inhabitants with more respect if they felt that being allowed to stay hinged on that. Unfortunately for the genuine ones they are all lumped together from public perception. Hence the protests outside the hotels, again some are local people with genuine grievances who feel they are not being listened to. Into that mix come professional agiatators from both the right and left who appear to want to fan the flames of discontent further and tip any protest over into violence. It doesn't help that these hotels appear to be packed full of young single men. There have been numerous criminal incidents perpetuated by asylum seekers and it would be good if those were recognised as a threat rather than brushed under the carpet because not doing so is very divisive, even if you just take GN as a snapshot of the overall mood of the country. Contrary to that we do need to recognise there are people, where we, as part of the free world should be prepared to give sanctuary to, although as a relatively small country we have finite amounts of space, housing and other infrastructure that certainly impacts negatively on our own people before others need to be catered for from those limited resources.

A very sensible post, Terribull.

Skydancer

GrannyGravy13

I always have wondered why these young men do not stay and fight for their country, as opposed to leaving the women and children behind to exist on their own?

Exactly!!

If the UK came under attack, your home was destroyed, nobody could work and the food supply was slashed, people were being bombed and otherwise killed every day, there were no schools open and your family were suffering beyond anything any of us can imagine, what would you do?

There are few options, but most people would probably try to make the best of it for a while, in the hope that things would improve and because they'd be in shock. After a lot of their money had ben spent on staying alive, they might get together as a family to pool resources and look at possibilities. For many, there would be none; but for those with better resources an option might be to try again in another country and seek asylum.

If some could speak English (more likely than being able to speak other languages) it would make sense to decide to go to an English-speaking country. As putting babies and the elderly in boats would be insanely risky and they wouldn't be able to work anyway, who would you send as pioneers? Such a journey would be a huge risk for everyone, but young, fit men would have the best chance - both of survival and of finding work that would allow them to save and send for the rest of the family later.

Where there is civil war it is often not a case of fighting for one's country - it can be about saving your family from persecution or attack, and even without civil war under dictatorships the same can apply.