1,027 irregular migrants arrive here on rubber boats in the last 24 hours.

PaynesGrey

Farage wants to abolish the UK Human Rights Act 1998.

These are our rights under the act.

1. The right to life
2. The right to be free from torture and inhuman or degrading treatment
3. The right to be free from slavery or forced labour
4. The right to liberty and security
5. The right to a fair trial
6. The right not to be punished for something that wasn't against the law when you did it
7. The right to respect for private and family life, home and correspondence
8. The right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion
9. The right to freedom of expression
10. The right to freedom of assembly and association
11. The right to marry and start a family
12. The right to be free from discrimination
13. The right to peaceful enjoyment of possessions
14. The right to education
15. The right to free elections
16. Abolition of the death penalty

Farage wants to take all these away.

Take 15 minutes to watch Richard Murphy explain and expand on how we will all be affected if Farage ever comes to power.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt0fB-5S388

If you cannot imagine how the removal of these rights might affect you then read the examples given by the British Institute of Human Rights under each section headed How might this right be relevant to my life?

www.bihr.org.uk/get-informed/what-rights-do-i-have

If you cannot see the parallels with Hitler (and Trump) you are deluding yourself.

Thank you PaynesGrey 👏👏👏

Primrose53

A couple of people on here have mentioned Starmer wanting these immigrants because it means more votes for the LP. I believe this too. I also believe as soon as they’re in and settled they will turn on the LP. That’s when the trouble will really start!

I was discussing the small boats topic with my friend from Tanzania. I have said many times that she is so angry that she had to conform to the rules to come here legally after she met her British husband. I asked her what would happen if I went on holiday with her to Tanzania and liked it so much I decided to stay. She could not stop laughing! She said “you wouldn’t even be allowed IN without a return ticket!” She is 100% against the illegal immigrants coming here.

A very muddled post.

But basically you have a friend who is against irregular immigrants arriving on our shores.

Aren’t most people?

A couple of people on here have mentioned Starmer wanting these immigrants because it means more votes for the LP. I believe this too. I also believe as soon as they’re in and settled they will turn on the LP. That’s when the trouble will really start!

I see where you're coming from. Those people ( who can't vote anyway?) are not here out of necessity but part of a cunning plan hatched by the LP. Yes, damn smart idea.

"A couple of people on here have mentioned Starmer wanting these immigrants because it means more votes for the LP."

So what about the ones who came in during the 14 years of the abysmal responses by the Conservatives? Were they allowed to stay to boost the Conservative vote? Totally ridiculous suggestion. This government has returned 25% more failed asylum seekers in a year, the most since 2017!

Maremia

It'a a wee bit shocking/depressing how many GNs were quick to believe that dreadful hoax scenario suggested in Sparkle's post.

How many 😄you mean 2.

nanna8

I wasn’t aware that Farage was an ‘irregular’immigrant perpetrator trying to get on a boat. Shocking news.

😂

Although some people would like to put him on a boat heading away from the UK!

GrannyGravy13

We currently have three threads on Angela Rayner.

How many threads were there on Brexit?

How many threads on Boris Johnson?

How many threads on Covid?

FGT2 has posted what is/was on every news programme last night.

Nobody is forced to read every thread, I am not a knitter nor am I into arts and crafts or games so I just do not bother to read them, simples…

I agree.
I understood that we have freedom of speech or so we keep being told.
Does freedom of speech only extend to an approved agenda on GN? I understand that there are guidelines of course.
Clarification by posters of what can or cannot be discussed would be useful.

I was not trying to control what other posters read or contribute to when I suggested skipping by or hiding threads. It just seems sensible thing to do.

Oreo

Maremia

It'a a wee bit shocking/depressing how many GNs were quick to believe that dreadful hoax scenario suggested in Sparkle's post.

How many 😄you mean 2.

One and a half-hearted one?

My opinion is that some sort of assessment has to be done for the future of this country using data we already hold on illegal migrants. We must ask ourselves can it go on? Nothing against any people, just the pragmatics of is the growth rate sustainable with it affecting the countries infrastructure?

Whenever FGT posts about this topic the same names pop up in every thread defending these male migrants.

Now, of course, we have migrants working in the NHS but they have come in with documentation and are qualified and working legally, paying taxes as the British people mostly do. Not the same as boats full of fighting age men with destroyed paperwork who are NOT working, contributing, paying taxes but taking as much as they can from this country.

Of course there are backlogs in the NHS, because these jump to the top of the queue along with the Gazans due to land for operations on the NHS. They will also be allowed to claim benefits, be housed while they’re here and to claim asylum.

I’d like to know from the usual suspects, those who think there’s nothing wrong with taxpayers funding these people forever and a day WHY they think it. What’s in it for them? How do they see this country supporting these migrants indefinitely? Why should we support them from our taxes? At what point do these posters think hang on, enough is enough? More importantly, do they have any of them living cheek by jowl next to them? Do their jobs as charity operatives, for example, impact on their idealistic thinking? I think the rest of us should know.

If FGTs post is toxic, as said by one of the usual suspects, what would she think of immigrants moving right next door to her in a HMO, paid for by her local council. Brighton I believe she said on another thread. I’m sure Brighton and Hove working residents would love it.

BlueBelle

This is in CHAT, GrannyGravy and FGT has bandied her anti immigration views to death so yes I was rude, sorry to offend you, but I m tired of it all

Oh Frogoet how I agree with your post
Our local hospital is so proud of the fact that the staff there come from 52 different countries and I ll tell you what I ve never had a nasty nurse, cleaner or doctor in that hospital
My dentists so far have come from Greece, South America Hungary and India
Why is everyone so scared, this country was built on immigration.
I have absolutely no problem with sending criminals right back where they came from and they can take some of our home grown variety back with them but this awful awful position of hate we are in now screams of Hitler s white blond haired regime think of that more closely and remember what followed

I think you are going a little too far with that statement bluebell

Very well said woodenspoon

I take comfort in the knowledge that those apparently happy to have potentially millions of illegal arrivals (about whom we know nothing) are in the minority.

The astonishing rise in popularity of the Reform party demonstrates the strength of feeling in this country about what is happening. Farage is accurately tapping into the mood of the country, but personally, I would need to know more about his other policies before I would consider voting for him.

Maybe a solution would be for Reform to join forces with the Conservatives.
I have long felt that the two of them combined would be an unbeatable force.

Well put woodenspoon. at 12.08
Living next door to them could well bring a flood of I do, and don't have a problem comments.

I dislike the implication that I must automatically dislike or resent all immigrants, or that I’m unaware of the benefits brought by those coming here legally, or unaware of the circumstances in the countries they claim to come from.
(Claim, because without documentation we don’t know.)

However, like you, I feel this section asks pertinent questions that no one seems to answer.

I’d like to know from the usual suspects, those who think there’s nothing wrong with taxpayers funding these people forever and a day WHY they think it?

What’s in it for them?

How do they see this country supporting these migrants indefinitely?

Especially if their desire is to bring endless family to join them. The desire to do that is understandable, but the numbers simply multiply.

Why should we support them from our taxes?

At what point do these posters think hang on, enough is enough?

More importantly, do they have any of them living cheek by jowl next to them?

Do their jobs as charity operatives, for example, impact on their idealistic thinking? I think the rest of us should know.

Whitewavemark2

Primrose53

A couple of people on here have mentioned Starmer wanting these immigrants because it means more votes for the LP. I believe this too. I also believe as soon as they’re in and settled they will turn on the LP. That’s when the trouble will really start!

I was discussing the small boats topic with my friend from Tanzania. I have said many times that she is so angry that she had to conform to the rules to come here legally after she met her British husband. I asked her what would happen if I went on holiday with her to Tanzania and liked it so much I decided to stay. She could not stop laughing! She said “you wouldn’t even be allowed IN without a return ticket!” She is 100% against the illegal immigrants coming here.

A very muddled post.

But basically you have a friend who is against irregular immigrants arriving on our shores.

Aren’t most people?

Oh so sorry. I didn’t realise I was posting under exam conditions.

woodenspoon... exactly my thoughts...good post. The recent flying of our flags is a protest against this government in my opinion.

Can some people on GN not understand that when hard working British families see AS being put up in very nice hotels by the seaside and enjoying all that Britain has to offer when they can't afford a week by the seaside..having to wait three weeks to see a doctor and the cost of living crippling them that they are rightly going to be very cross about it. Racism doesn't come into.

The AS should be housed at military bases and the law changed so they can be put to work while they are being processed.

I dislike the implication that I must automatically dislike or resent all immigrants, or that I’m unaware of the benefits brought by those coming here legally.
Me too. But a good 60%+ of GNs on these threads are looked upon as a homogenous group requiring diversity training! Simply because they don't agree with other posters' views.
I think the objections to asylum seekers raised on here come from many interesting angles, and to say so many GNs believe everything that is spouted is wrong.

Oreo

Teazel2

Frogoet

As to going back to Hitler-it’s tge perfect example of scapegoating which is going on in this thread. ‘They will turn against us’. Have you met any? Spoken to them.
With leave to stay they are exploited by low paid industry,

I feel its not acceptable to keep quoting Hitler just to try to induce some sort of guilt.

Hitler is brought out on forums when a poster has run out of things to say.
It has zilch to do with anything about people arriving illegally on boats from France.

Thank you 👏👏👏👏👏

woodenspoon

Whenever FGT posts about this topic the same names pop up in every thread defending these male migrants.

Now, of course, we have migrants working in the NHS but they have come in with documentation and are qualified and working legally, paying taxes as the British people mostly do. Not the same as boats full of fighting age men with destroyed paperwork who are NOT working, contributing, paying taxes but taking as much as they can from this country.

Of course there are backlogs in the NHS, because these jump to the top of the queue along with the Gazans due to land for operations on the NHS. They will also be allowed to claim benefits, be housed while they’re here and to claim asylum.

I’d like to know from the usual suspects, those who think there’s nothing wrong with taxpayers funding these people forever and a day WHY they think it. What’s in it for them? How do they see this country supporting these migrants indefinitely? Why should we support them from our taxes? At what point do these posters think hang on, enough is enough? More importantly, do they have any of them living cheek by jowl next to them? Do their jobs as charity operatives, for example, impact on their idealistic thinking? I think the rest of us should know.

If FGTs post is toxic, as said by one of the usual suspects, what would she think of immigrants moving right next door to her in a HMO, paid for by her local council. Brighton I believe she said on another thread. I’m sure Brighton and Hove working residents would love it.

Love this post, would love to hear some responses to the questions posed.

By the way Primrose53 your post was NOT muddled.

Labour are going to use old Army barracks. Do them up a bit. A good start yet they howled like mad (Bibby Stockholm) when the Tories proposed such.

It’s getting to Starmer now. He can’t out-Farage Refirm but he knows the public (many) are not happy with this situation.

Something needs to change.
The pull factor for one.

TikTok saying ‘you’ll be in barracks, no complimentary Play Stations etc’ would be a good deterrent.

He must be a racist then FGT if he’s moving them from 4* hotels into barracks. The poor desperate souls 😂😂

Something needs to change.
The pull factor for one.

Exactly, from what I've picked up, the French are pretty cross with the UK for making life seem so "attrayant" for asylum seekers. That means more than just attractive; more like inviting or enticing.
Although it annoys me, I don't blame France for doing the bare minimum to stop illegal migrants leaving France for the UK. It's absolutely in their interest to pass on as many illegal migrants as possible. The French french taxpayer wants fewer welfare dependants to support, France is already at an impasse itself.

woodenspoon

Whenever FGT posts about this topic the same names pop up in every thread defending these male migrants.

Now, of course, we have migrants working in the NHS but they have come in with documentation and are qualified and working legally, paying taxes as the British people mostly do. Not the same as boats full of fighting age men with destroyed paperwork who are NOT working, contributing, paying taxes but taking as much as they can from this country.

Of course there are backlogs in the NHS, because these jump to the top of the queue along with the Gazans due to land for operations on the NHS. They will also be allowed to claim benefits, be housed while they’re here and to claim asylum.

I’d like to know from the usual suspects, those who think there’s nothing wrong with taxpayers funding these people forever and a day WHY they think it. What’s in it for them? How do they see this country supporting these migrants indefinitely? Why should we support them from our taxes? At what point do these posters think hang on, enough is enough? More importantly, do they have any of them living cheek by jowl next to them? Do their jobs as charity operatives, for example, impact on their idealistic thinking? I think the rest of us should know.

If FGTs post is toxic, as said by one of the usual suspects, what would she think of immigrants moving right next door to her in a HMO, paid for by her local council. Brighton I believe she said on another thread. I’m sure Brighton and Hove working residents would love it.

Excellent post Woodenspoon
You have put it in a much more succinct manner than I could, so thank you 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

woodenspoon

Whenever FGT posts about this topic the same names pop up in every thread defending these male migrants.

Now, of course, we have migrants working in the NHS but they have come in with documentation and are qualified and working legally, paying taxes as the British people mostly do. Not the same as boats full of fighting age men with destroyed paperwork who are NOT working, contributing, paying taxes but taking as much as they can from this country.

Of course there are backlogs in the NHS, because these jump to the top of the queue along with the Gazans due to land for operations on the NHS. They will also be allowed to claim benefits, be housed while they’re here and to claim asylum.

I’d like to know from the usual suspects, those who think there’s nothing wrong with taxpayers funding these people forever and a day WHY they think it. What’s in it for them? How do they see this country supporting these migrants indefinitely? Why should we support them from our taxes? At what point do these posters think hang on, enough is enough? More importantly, do they have any of them living cheek by jowl next to them? Do their jobs as charity operatives, for example, impact on their idealistic thinking? I think the rest of us should know.

If FGTs post is toxic, as said by one of the usual suspects, what would she think of immigrants moving right next door to her in a HMO, paid for by her local council. Brighton I believe she said on another thread. I’m sure Brighton and Hove working residents would love it.

What an excellent post woodenspoon

I for one would truly miss FGT2 posting these facts so please don't stop.

I’m astonished at how many posters have sent supportive p.ms to me today on this topic. People who agree with many of us on here apparently!