Halal Slaugthtering of Animals

Maremia

Nothing to do with animal cruelty issues but processed meat is now considered to be very unhealthy.

I didn't mean "processed meat" as in sausages and salami, but the meat in pies, pasties and microwave meals (and even sandwiches), which doesn't have its origin on the packet.

Nothing to do with animal cruelty issues but processed meat is now considered to be very unhealthy.

Caleo

GrannyGravy13

I am fortunate when buying meat and fish I use the local farm shop only buy free range, we live close to a thriving fishing area and can have a delivery straight from the small boats.

Just waiting for someone to say vegetables suffer…

That is pretty much ideal, GrannyGravy. However I expect such quality meat comes at a cost. Home bred, freerange fattened ,and locally killed is more expensive is it not?

It would be interesting to know how much more expensive such quality products are compared with e.g. Tesco.

It's not just meat which is bought uncooked. The processed meat market (pies, pasties, ready meals) must be worth a fortune. AFAIK there is no obligation to declare the origin of the meat in processed food. Processors aren't going to be using top quality products. Kosher abbatoirs are only to keen to offload the rear ends of animals.

Cold

Maremia

I have read about Halal, but is Kosher by the same method?

Pretty much - both involve the animal's throat being cut

Kosher also requires only the front end of the animal being consumed

I think I mentioned that earlier. Even if the front end of the animal were labelled "kosher" so people could avoid it, the rear end is not labelled and is sold into the general markets, so people have no idea how the animal has been slaughtered.

Maremia

I have read about Halal, but is Kosher by the same method?

Pretty much - both involve the animal's throat being cut

Kosher also requires only the front end of the animal being consumed

There is no such thing as ‘kind slaughter’ no matter how its presented. Yes grass fed and a good life enjoying the sunshine is all well and good but to end it by being herded into a packed transporter and smelling the blood and feeling the fear on arrival, doesnt cut it. This is the reason I don’t eat meat. The horror of slaughter. Any slaughter.

Caleo, my butcher sells local lamb, free range chicken, free range pork and beef from just over the Pennines. I eat less meat but of good quality.
Supermarket meat bares no comparison with meat from a good butcher.

Betony

Go vegetarian. Did it 40 years ago and now can't even look at meat. Also support animal charities who are working against cruel, increasingly industrialised slaughter of animals. Every little helps.

GrannyGravy13

I am fortunate when buying meat and fish I use the local farm shop only buy free range, we live close to a thriving fishing area and can have a delivery straight from the small boats.

Just waiting for someone to say vegetables suffer…

That is pretty much ideal, GrannyGravy. However I expect such quality meat comes at a cost. Home bred, freerange fattened ,and locally killed is more expensive is it not?

It would be interesting to know how much more expensive such quality products are compared with e.g. Tesco.

Skydancer

Aveline

I despair for humanity at the cruelty caused by religion. It's all nonsense.

Absolutely agree.

Me too. ☹

And eating meat?

Aveline

I despair for humanity at the cruelty caused by religion. It's all nonsense.

Absolutely agree.

Thank you all for your information about the methods.
The thing about soya production using up natural resources for example clearing rainforest areas is, I have been told, that those cleared areas are used for growing cattle feed soya. Human feed soya is grown elsewhere.
So if you cut out the 'middle man' process by giving up some of your meat meals, you will reduce deforestation.

Go vegetarian. Did it 40 years ago and now can't even look at meat. Also support animal charities who are working against cruel, increasingly industrialised slaughter of animals. Every little helps.

If halal is properly killed it can be kinder than the alternative.

Properly killed halal slaughter is done to an animal who is tightly and comfortably restrained at the time of slaughter handling. arou nd the killing event . The effect of properly immobilising an animal is that it feels more calm, less agitated.

Please read Temple Grandin on the subject. Abattoirs in the US now take her advice and the resulting calmer animal makes the work of the abattoir a lot easier.

www.google.com/search?q=temple+grandin&sca_esv=2afd3ac4ae6c0b30&rlz=1C1CHBD_en-GBGB739GB739&sxsrf=AE3TifN6wLyCBq_O90NF83kwECs0yX0Xug%3A1760032200804&ei=yPXnaLriMO

Maremia

I have read about Halal, but is Kosher by the same method?

Nearly the same, slight differences.
Kosher butchers use razor sharp knives to cut the throat quickly and cleanly in one stroke.The animal dies very quickly.

Maremia

I have read about Halal, but is Kosher by the same method?

Yes, very similar.

watermeadow

I’m vegetarian but have a dog and cats and cats must have meat so I buy meat.
I hate the cruelty and environmental damage caused by the production of meat and milk. Humans don’t need either but our pets do.

Why do pets need meat and milk any more than humans?

Manufacturing meat substitutes or artificial meat uses more water and resources than free range animals, more detrimental to the planet and the ecosystem
The production of soya is a case in point.

Caleo

What I did was stop buying pig . I now don't even want to buy pig. And it has been comparatively easy to not buy cow and lamb after giving up pig.

I do allow myself the luxury of my own dog, and he gets Pedigree Chum.

I keep hoping that artificially -cultured muscle tissue will soon be available at Tesco

Oh I am sure it will be available soon.

Manufacturing meat substitutes or artificial meat uses more water and resources than free range animals, more detrimental to the planet and the ecosystem.

What I did was stop buying pig . I now don't even want to buy pig. And it has been comparatively easy to not buy cow and lamb after giving up pig.

I do allow myself the luxury of my own dog, and he gets Pedigree Chum.

I keep hoping that artificially -cultured muscle tissue will soon be available at Tesco

I’m vegetarian but have a dog and cats and cats must have meat so I buy meat.
I hate the cruelty and environmental damage caused by the production of meat and milk. Humans don’t need either but our pets do.

Esmay

Perhaps we should be Jains .
Their diet is strict.
Even pulling up rooted vegetables offends them.

It's fine to be vegetarian or a vegan if you manage to function and don't lecture other people on your saintly existence !
My daughter's ling term ex was a Vegan .
He refused to eat out least the crockery and utensils be contaminated with "products of the flesh . "
I found catering for him tiring and thankless .
Ill tempered,volatile and moody -he was ill all the time and spent most of his time resting in bed.
My daughter was absolutely exhausted trying to hold down a full time job,run a home and raise their child.

I try not to eat meat and fish ,but I don't always find it easy.

The most effective message to get out to the public is that it's good to have smaller helpings of flesh , and have meat free meal sometimes.
It scares people too much to suddenly stop eating flesh and they don't like to even imagine animal suffering at all. So the new public conscience evolves slowly but surely.

* Maremia* kosher is similar in how the animals are killed and of course no pork products. Additionally you have the separation of meat and dairy, both in the cooking and in preparation.

Maremia

Think pigs are gassed to death, which is not kind.

They’re not exactly ‘gassed to death’, a high concentration of CO2 is used to stun them before slaughter.

You are right to say it is not kind, many suffer an agonising death as a result.

animalequality.org.uk/news/2025/03/24/scientists-warn-that-millions-of-pigs-suffer-agonising-deaths-in-the-uk-every-year/

I have read about Halal, but is Kosher by the same method?