Goodbye Duke & Duchess of York.

We know no spectacle so ridiculous as the British public in one of its periodical fits of morality.

Thomas Babington Macaulay, written concerning Lord Byron, but applies to the increasingly unpleasant and disproportionate posts here tonight.

I’m not condoning but choose not to condemn.

It’s not me being ridiculous ronib. How you can condone this, however you try to dress it up, I simply don’t understand.

Where is this information coming from? Aveline posting that PA had sex with 8 underage girls at an orgy.

We actually know very little for certain but what we do know is that they haven't been stripped of their titles Magenta, they retain their titles of Duke and Duchess but they will not be used.

It would require an Act of Parliament to strip PA of his Dukedom.

I would have thought this was bad enough without people making it worse by spreading disinformation. Even one of the BBC breakfast presenters repeatedly stated they'd been stripped of their titles.

Don’t be ridiculous - we have very few facts to go on Casdon. We simply don’t know who received the money. Were parents pimping their own children? There’s no way my precious granddaughter would ever go near these people. We have responsible parents.

ronib

The girls were paid hundreds of dollars for their services. Who received this payment?

ronib another irrelevant issue. Money cannot compensate for what happened to those girls. What if it was your own granddaughter? Perhaps you would think it was okay if there was enough money involved?

ronib - are you one of the Royal Family by any chance?

Basically if Prince Andrew had paid sex, who on earth are we to criticise?

We are ordinary people holding public figures up to a moral standard and to public scrutiny according to the law of the land. The same standards should apply to all of us - equality before the law.
Rest assured - if Andrew was not 'royal' he would have been in prison long ago - and should be now.

I also doubt that Prince Andrew had the slightest idea of how Epstein and Maxwell procured girls. He just wouldn’t think about it

Oh please. He is known to be dim but even he can work out under aged girls providing sex for old over privileged men would not have been legal!

Why has it taken so long? Andrew had protection officers wherever he went. They must have know exactly who he met, what was going on and how long he was there for. Palace guards and staff would know exactly who he invited in. They would have known if he had been at pizza express when he claimed he was etc. Utterly absurd these witnesses had not been summoned for their accounts of every meeting he had. MI5 would have known everything about who he and his wife met. Why their silence?
The Royal Family have conspired in every way to try and keep a lid on the scandals - hence why $10 million suddenly was paid to silence the truth about his abominable behaviour.

The girls were paid hundreds of dollars for their services. Who received this payment?

Well said, Norah. And what have the girls' parents got to do with anything? The girls were used and exploited, no matter what their backgrounds were. That's the bottom line here.

Watch ch 4 news on this. Excellent

That matters not at all ronib. Girls who are unprotected are the most vulnerable, and men taking advantage of them more abhorrent.

What role did the parents play? Casdon

Anniebach

Iam64 Mon 20-Oct-25 16:17:38
Do you have friend or family relationships with men who ‘use/need the services of prostitutes’ ronib?
I know these men because of my work with their victims.

I’m with Allira in finding your suggestion that my father might have paid for sex. I am totally confident neither my father, or my husband would do thst.

I’m not sure what point you’re attempting to make. Is it that most men are like PAndrew, without a moral compass.

Fact, there some men who need to spend time with prostitute , not the majority but definitely some.

NO.

Nobody needs to spend time with prostitutes.

Nobody with morals wants to spend time with prostitutes.

The end.

Nearly all of us are ViceVersa. For a woman to say these things, to tacitly accept that it is acceptable for men to use young girls, is shocking.

As this thread appears to be about Andrew and Sarah, I am wondering where this discussion is going. It appears to now be about the rights and wrongs or men having sex with prostitutes.

I have read "Entitled" by Andrew Lownie a distinguished academic and it was meticulously researched and no doubt fact checked and run past legal experts before publication. The book is not idle tittle-tattle designed to besmirch the monarchy as claimed by some GNs who, presumably, have not read it.

The ex-Yorks do not come out well and I am sure that the book influenced the decision to strip away their titles. There are many more reasons, as I mentioned up-thread, other than Prince Andrew's sexual exploits, why he is disgraced and why Sarah is also disgraced.

SueDonim

^Fact, there some men who need to spend time with prostitute , not the majority but definitely some^

Dear lord, I cannot believe what I’m reading - that women are mere lumps of meat put on this earth to satisfy men’s needs. If men’s sexual needs are so imperative, how come a woman (or man) isn’t available to them on prescription?

I know exactly what you mean. I'm appalled by some of these posts.

I also doubt that Prince Andrew had the slightest idea of how Epstein and Maxwell procured girls. He just wouldn’t think about it.

We have no real information about the young girls involved apart from information filtered through the media. I too am a mother, grandmother if not feminist. I would do everything in my power to protect young girls and young men from abuse. But it was up to the parents of those children involved who failed to protect.

It's not about paid sex. It's about procuring, manipulating and trafficking vulnerable young girls over a sustained period of time and the sexual abuse of vulnerable and often underage girls.

And it's about people who are held in high regard who have taken part in the sordid and depraved world of Epstein and Maxwell.

Thank you LucyAnna5. I hope ronib doesn’t understand the enormity of her statements

ronib

Basically if Prince Andrew had paid sex, who on earth are we to criticise?

We are mothers, grandmothers, feminists…….who abhor sexual abuse and manipulation of underage girls. And Andrew is meant to be a respected member of an elite family.

Basically if Prince Andrew had paid sex, who on earth are we to criticise?