Oops! The Prince formerly known as Duke drops another clanger!

theworriedwell

Allira

You’re absolutely right about the sort of mother she was when her children were young. She was not a good mother at all

You're going by media reports.

Queen Elizabeth tried to be the best mother she could be within the constraints of her rôle as Monarch. None of us can judge because none of us, even working mothers, have a clue what it was like to juggle that rôle with motherhood. When she had to go away on Royal tours her own mother became the 'mother figure' for her young children and, if course, there were nannies too.

The reason that Charles had less leeway than his siblings was because he, too, was being prepared for the rôle of Monarch one day too.

Charles, talking about his mother: "I remember we used to have lots of laughs ...."

How do you know she tried to be the best mother she could be. She had choices, he was a sensitive child and was sent away to a tough school where he was bullied and unhappy. She could have had her pick of any school, day or boarding. I can see she had good qualities but she wasn't some amazing person. People criticise Camilla but she seems a much warmer caring person to me. She performs her public duties in an exemplary manner. No need to be setting her up as second rate to QEII.

Do we want anyone to question where we sent our children to school, how we raised them up? I think she was poster woman for "keep calm and carry on" and probably expected no less from others.

Why she paid hush money for Andrew is bothersome.

Queen Elizabeth was a ruling monarch, which, dominated her life from the age of twenty=five.
Camilla is Queen Consort, a far less onerous position and one she came to far later in life.

No need to be setting her up as second rate to QEII.

I didn't. Read the previous posts and also eazybee's post above which explains succinctly the different roles of Monarch and Consort.

I think Philip had a lot of sway where their children were concerned and Elizabeth probably referred to him as knowing what was best for his sons. He had been a pupil at Gordonstoun and loved it there and was probably hoping that Charles would too.

referred deferred - sorry, autocorrect.

Allira

^You’re absolutely right about the sort of mother she was when her children were young. She was not a good mother at all^

You're going by media reports.

Queen Elizabeth tried to be the best mother she could be within the constraints of her rôle as Monarch. None of us can judge because none of us, even working mothers, have a clue what it was like to juggle that rôle with motherhood. When she had to go away on Royal tours her own mother became the 'mother figure' for her young children and, if course, there were nannies too.

The reason that Charles had less leeway than his siblings was because he, too, was being prepared for the rôle of Monarch one day too.

Charles, talking about his mother: "I remember we used to have lots of laughs ...."

Well put Allira
This is an interesting reflection of all the criticism that goes on about working mothers or the lauding of SAH mothers, who are lucky enough to have the choice to stay at home.

I think banishment abroad is a bad idea.

A quiet low publicity life is what’s needed for them both, in a small 5 bed house on a Royal Estate.
No further invitations to public Royal events, even funerals. It’s a bad look him turning up, seemingly oblivious.

I think banishment abroad is a bad idea.

And unfair on wherever that might be.

Yes, retire from public gaze with your ex-wife.
They would have plenty to do, looking after the dogs, gardening, redecorating etc.
Never to be heard from again.

I would think it might be one of the Gulf States with lots of golf on offer.

So who wants possession of the Royal Lodge? Intended for Prince George might we think?

Andrew and possibly his daughters, are putting out a story that the King wants Royal Lodge for Camilla should he predecease her. Seems highly unlikely. I hope this is a press rumour and Andrew has more sense than to follow Harry's route, although with regard to his previous behaviour he appears to have very little common sense.

I can't think why Camilla would need a property that size, or that she'd want it. There's going to be Adelaide Cottage up for grabs and Frogmore. I would have thought they would be better for her.

I do think this is rather a pivotal time for the Royals. Charles is only ever going to be a transitional King. He's embroiled in scandals, arguments and both he and the Princess of Wales battling cancer. The "slimming down" exercise became a self fulfilling prophecy. He's no fool, I suspect he knows that his role is to ease the family out of the rather outdated and rarefied atmosphere of the late Queen's reign and into a much more modern version that William will undoubtedly adopt. It would have been nice for him if all his siblings could have toed the line a bit and supported him.

I thought Camilla would go back to the home she actually owns.
Didn't the king buy the land next to it to give it more privacy?

NotSpaghetti

I thought Camilla would go back to the home she actually owns.
Didn't the king buy the land next to it to give it more privacy?

I would guess that as Dowager Queen she would have some type of residence within the Windsor grounds. But it wouldn't surprise me if she took up a more permanent reidence in her own home, she does still use it a lot and it seems to suit her.

I can’t imagine Camilla living on the Windsor estate without Charles. There’s nothing there for her.
If I was her I’d split my time between Ray Mill house, which she clearly loves, and an apartment and office in St James’ Palace rather than KP with its strong Diana connection.

merlotgran

I can’t imagine Camilla living on the Windsor estate without Charles. There’s nothing there for her.
If I was her I’d split my time between Ray Mill house, which she clearly loves, and an apartment and office in St James’ Palace rather than KP with its strong Diana connection.

Yes I did think of KP but the Diana link rules it out I think.

Sounds like the perfect solution merlotgran.

I wonder how inclined she will be should the situation arise, to continue to feature in Royal duties - apart from the very obvious ones. I don't think she relishes the limelight.Her grandchildren, the garden and some dogs would probably be enough for her.

The Royal Lodge was previously the home of the Queen Mother from 1952 until her death. Knowing how much a traditionalist the King is, it would be surprising if he didn’t want this tradition to continue. Whether Camilla wants it or not. Maybe …..

ferry23

It's being reported that the Metropolitan Police has launched a probe into Prince Andrew. Apparently an email has emerged from him asking his protection officer (Met employed, tax payer funded) to investigate Virginia Guiffre in order, allegedly, to dish some dirt on her.

He's certainly the Prince who just keeps on giving.

Nothing surprises me about this disgusting person. The entitlement and lack of accountability is expected from someone with such low character. He felt entitled to the teenage flesh peddled by his creepy friend, so why wouldn’t he use all resources at his disposable to help shut the young woman up? Seems par for the course from one of the Epstein Circle of creeps.

For the record, banishment abroad would be unfair to any place unfortunate to have him.

NotSpaghetti

I thought Camilla would go back to the home she actually owns.
Didn't the king buy the land next to it to give it more privacy?

I’ve read exactly the same NotSpaghetti

I imagine with the King’s illness, much thought has been given to the fact that he may die before Camilla.

In that unfortunate event, I think Camilla would be very keen to accept a ‘Dowager Queen’ role, live out her time at Ray Mill, but still attend vital Royal events.

I bet she would be quite happy to stay in a small apartment at Kensington Palace on the occasions she had to be in London.

But not Diana’s old home, I hasten to add!

Camilla spends weekends at Ray Mill house, Wiltshire, her own home when not at 'work' lol

Can't see William or Harry (whatever influence he may or may not have) being happy about her living in KP. And I don't know that she'd want to.

There's still a lot of hatred directed towards Camilla. I don't think that will change until at least the next generation. Anything with the remotest connection to Diana might be considered "too soon"

He really is the gift that keeps on giving. BBC reports this morning that he accepted tens of thousands of £ from the businessman linked to the wealth management company that that ripped off pension savers.

Sarah, Beatrice and Eugenie were also on the receiving end of generous donations according to this article.

Prince Andrew paid by businessman tied to pension rip-off company www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy5qrp2wne4o

Why is it assumed that Queen Camilla, as dowager (which she will automatically become), won’t just stay at Clarence House, where she lives now? It’s where the previous Queen Mother lived, William has plenty of other choices of accommodation, so it isn’t needed by him now - and it is a non controversial choice.

ronib

The Royal Lodge was previously the home of the Queen Mother from 1952 until her death. Knowing how much a traditionalist the King is, it would be surprising if he didn’t want this tradition to continue. Whether Camilla wants it or not. Maybe …..

Royal Lodge was the country home of the Duke and Duchess of York (later King George V and Queen Elizabeth) from 1931. Queen Elizabeth continued to use it after the King died, but there is no tradition associated with it.