An interesting slant on the wearing of a burqa.

Wyllow3

I'm a bit biased atm which might account for it. Having escaped a coercively abusive marriage in 2022, followed by a really bad depression as a result, I was sexually assulted on October 12th in a religious situation and certainly haven't got over yet, its still full on with the police and conflicts within the organisation.

Although this post appears before mine of 23:21:51 I obviously didn't see it because I'm a very slow one finger typist. I'm sorry you've suffered this assault, that's so horrible, but I wonder if that makes you more sympathetic to women who have a bias because their assailant was Muslim, or black, or Asian for example? I hope you can get some resolution and have enough support to get you through this.

Rosie51

Wyllow3

Rosie51

Wyllow3 you always refer to our plentiful white homegrown abusers. I take it you are aware we have home grown black, brown, white and every shade in between abusers? Or are they only 'home grown' if white? Pretty racist I'd say.

On the question of the burqa, I would ban all full face coverings including it and the niqab from all public buildings and spaces. Facial recognition is a much used tool in the fight against crime, an impossible task when only, or not even, the eyes are visible. Hijabs are totally different and perfectly acceptable. I'd apply that rule to everyone and especially the yobs who look like ninjas with their full face coverings too. Try entering a bank branch with a full face motorcycle helmet with tinted visor and face scarf....

Good point.
All home grown abusers!

So why have you only ever referred to 'white home grown abusers' up until now? It does smack of racism one way or another!

I've just answered you above on your repeat post? give me a break, will you?

On top of that I go nearly every try day to my very multicultural gym where there are both men and women from muslim backgrounds working out together and have never had any problems. At the children's swim school time you get families where all this supposed repression just aint there.

Sorry, that was to your post of Wed 26-Nov-25 23:17:18, not the next one.

Yes, and I'm sorry.

Wyllow3

Rosie51

Wyllow3 you always refer to our plentiful white homegrown abusers. I take it you are aware we have home grown black, brown, white and every shade in between abusers? Or are they only 'home grown' if white? Pretty racist I'd say.

On the question of the burqa, I would ban all full face coverings including it and the niqab from all public buildings and spaces. Facial recognition is a much used tool in the fight against crime, an impossible task when only, or not even, the eyes are visible. Hijabs are totally different and perfectly acceptable. I'd apply that rule to everyone and especially the yobs who look like ninjas with their full face coverings too. Try entering a bank branch with a full face motorcycle helmet with tinted visor and face scarf....

Good point.
All home grown abusers!

So why have you only ever referred to 'white home grown abusers' up until now? It does smack of racism one way or another!

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Don't know why I'm smiling, it's not a smiling matter but, yes.

I'm a bit biased atm which might account for it. Having escaped a coercively abusive marriage in 2022, followed by a really bad depression as a result, I was sexually assulted on October 12th in a religious situation and certainly haven't got over yet, its still full on with the police and conflicts within the organisation.

Rosie51

Wyllow3 you always refer to our plentiful white homegrown abusers. I take it you are aware we have home grown black, brown, white and every shade in between abusers? Or are they only 'home grown' if white? Pretty racist I'd say.

On the question of the burqa, I would ban all full face coverings including it and the niqab from all public buildings and spaces. Facial recognition is a much used tool in the fight against crime, an impossible task when only, or not even, the eyes are visible. Hijabs are totally different and perfectly acceptable. I'd apply that rule to everyone and especially the yobs who look like ninjas with their full face coverings too. Try entering a bank branch with a full face motorcycle helmet with tinted visor and face scarf....

Good point.
All home grown abusers!

Wyllow3

As for the O/P, it's a load of rubbish (not the poster, the post). As I've just said, male abusers are male abusers, whatever the culture. We've plenty of white home grown ones.

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Not all home-grown, as you call it, (presumably meaning British-born ) people are white, you know.
Some people of ethnic minority can trace their families back centuries.
There are also thousands of white Muslims in Britain too. One I know well is blond (or was) and blue-eyed.

I doubt that the majority of men of any ethnic background or religion are abusers. We just hear about the ones who are.

The discussion is about whether or not the burqa should be banned.

Wyllow3 you always refer to our plentiful white homegrown abusers. I take it you are aware we have home grown black, brown, white and every shade in between abusers? Or are they only 'home grown' if white? Pretty racist I'd say.

On the question of the burqa, I would ban all full face coverings including it and the niqab from all public buildings and spaces. Facial recognition is a much used tool in the fight against crime, an impossible task when only, or not even, the eyes are visible. Hijabs are totally different and perfectly acceptable. I'd apply that rule to everyone and especially the yobs who look like ninjas with their full face coverings too. Try entering a bank branch with a full face motorcycle helmet with tinted visor and face scarf....

As for the O/P, it's a load of rubbish (not the poster, the post). As I've just said, male abusers are male abusers, whatever the culture. We've plenty of white home grown ones.

Lathyrus3

Absolutely not for the State to legislate what a woman can or cannot wear. That’s exactly what has happened in places like Afghanistan.

Once a law is in place it can be applied to suit whoever is in power. Beware.

Absolutely against a ban, unless its in work situations where seeing your face is required.

Locally it tends just to be women who have recently arrived.

Let time do its own work. That what has happened once you get the next generation coming along, living in the UK.

Situations of abuse are another matter altogether, and need to be treated as such.

Sago

Lots of interesting responses here and thank you all.

My question in the OP was however is to ascertain if women of other cultures are seen as “available” because they are not covered?

From my experience of living in a SE Asian Muslim country and a 50% Muslim/Christian country I’d say yes to western girls and women being seen as ‘available’. There is a term they use for such girls and women - easy meat.

Don't you want to help them? - ie to have freedom to dress our way....

It is no business of mine how other women dress, be they Muslim (yes, I have lived in several areas with a strong Muslim influence) or nuns (yes, I used to live down the road from a nunnery, well, an ordinary, large house where nuns lived) or Indian women in saris etc

Quite M0nica.

It does make us feel as if we're more "available" than we are - just because we are doing our own thing in our own country.

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How?

How do they reckon it "gives them freedom"? Struggles to figure a reason for feeling freer when being restricted.....

Do they mean "freedom - because my husband will kick off if I go out without one" - so they mean the freedom to go out that we all have anyway?

My town has a large population of people of Pakistani, Muslim people. The burka is worn more often with the passing of time.
Some comments here suggest the posters have limited experience of living and working with this community.

I don’t see how banning the burka would help women or girls in the community. I couldn’t support such a ban. The article in the daily mail was one article from one woman, it was a personal point of view, based on her personal experience. It’s nonsense to suggest it reflects the majority view.

Many women report choosing the burka as it gives them freedom.

Sago

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Sago

Lots of interesting responses here and thank you all.

My question in the OP was however is to ascertain if women of other cultures are seen as “available” because they are not covered?

Here's a question. Are young women who are drunk or on drugs staggering about at night wearing next to nothing seen as " available?"

What on earth are you implying.

If a young girl is both staggering around and wearing very little clothing = she is still supposed to be able to consider herself safe - obviously.

Not to mention that I'm so glad drink spiking wasnt around back in my early "dating days" and so I could safely leave a drink unattended if need be. But these days - how would we know whether a girl was drunk on the one hand or had had her drink spiked on the other hand? I wouldnt know how to tell the difference - but I do know, from my own experience (many years back now) that even a suitably-dressed reasonably covered-up young woman that hasn't had many drinks can land up with some badly-intentioned man hitting on her. No woman should be seen as "available" and my own personal experience tells me one may not get the help one should from the people one should (cue for a long ago New Years Eve party in a "local" pub and I realised (yep that intuition again) when the man I was dancing with went to the loo - it hit me he was a woman-beater - but would the friend I was with stop partying and give me a lift home quick before he re-emerged? Would she heck as like - and I literally had to order her very firmly that she "WOULD give me a lift NOW. I am in danger" before Little Miss Self-absorbed had to accept I was going to escape and she was going to help whether she wanted to or no - and he did chase after me with his fists flying and feet kicking - but it was her car that got attacked and not me. Friendship over the second I got out of her car safe but shaking - with no apology from her for not being very helpful of another woman (her so-called friend - me).

So - no woman is "available" (no matter what she's wearing/what she's drinking/etc/etc) unless she says she is incontrovertibly.

Primrose53

Remember little Sara who was made to wear a burka by her evil father to hide her bruises he had inflicted on her. No child in this country should have to wear these flowing black robes and face coverings.

Some of them even make baby girls wear face coverings. That is grotesque.

Oh yes - that poor little girl....#shudders with how she was treated.

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Sago

Lots of interesting responses here and thank you all.

My question in the OP was however is to ascertain if women of other cultures are seen as “available” because they are not covered?

Here's a question. Are young women who are drunk or on drugs staggering about at night wearing next to nothing seen as " available?"

What on earth are you implying.

Remember little Sara who was made to wear a burka by her evil father to hide her bruises he had inflicted on her. No child in this country should have to wear these flowing black robes and face coverings.

Some of them even make baby girls wear face coverings. That is grotesque.

I really don’t like the term ‘available’, if a young man drunk or otherwise wanted to have sex he wouldn’t be called ‘available’. Women who want a varied and active sex life should feel able to pursue that, and whatever other cultures or more importantly our own tends to think about that is up to them. It is when men cross the line, and men of all backgrounds can do this, believing a woman who dresses a certain way or acts a certain way is asking for it. No woman is available and if she wants to have casual sex with a man she will make that clear, and if she doesn’t then she is not giving consent.

I wasn't allowed to wear trousers to school in the first part of the 1970s, and I was a teacher. Quite common them, even though the young Indian girls wore trousers or shalwar kameez.