An interesting slant on the wearing of a burqa.

“Sky dancer

Oreo
And areas of London too Primrose53
And spreading…”

And just for the record this is the kind of remark I allude to but there are others, one regarding Leicester.
Openly racist.
Quite disgusting really.

I couldn’t say Allira but if it is ok to be openly racist on a GN thread like this, and btw am but pointing at you but those who suggest Muslims ‘are spreading’ etc., presumably like some kind of infestation I suppose, I think making a comment like this about Dooley is the least of our worries.

Wyllow3

Comments make it quite clear. Vote Reform. Our country for whites, etc.

Dooley picks out little pockets of extremism. Not hard to find, with any group..

But what she does, is generalise from this extremism to cover ALL muslims

she's a nasty racist piece of work and I have doubts about this being presented as "Evidence" here.

Why doesn't, for example, she choose to show the many muslims working as doctors or carers of just ordinary mums collecting kids from schools or the ones I meet at my gym, or the ones I meet in my local interfaith womens group.....

she's a nasty racist piece of work

Is this libellous,

Stacey Dooley is a well-known public figure and is it quite wrong, even libel.pts, to label her as such on an open forum like Gransnet?

I saw that Stacy Dooley video. I've seen various ones by her on different topics - but that was one and I was shocked to see that march and so many women dressed that way.

"Why would someone support a wrongdoer just because they are the same race as them?" was certainly a question that was going through my mind for sure watching that.

I don't think Stacy is racist - from what I've seen of her. She could not have reported that march if it hadnt happened for instance. She'd not gone and hired a cast of actors/actresses.

Thankfully there are lots who do want to integrate...but it's unrealistic to pretend that all do...because it's clear some don't wish to/don't intend to.

Comments make it quite clear. Vote Reform. Our country for whites, etc.

Dooley picks out little pockets of extremism. Not hard to find, with any group..

But what she does, is generalise from this extremism to cover ALL muslims

she's a nasty racist piece of work and I have doubts about this being presented as "Evidence" here.

Why doesn't, for example, she choose to show the many muslims working as doctors or carers of just ordinary mums collecting kids from schools or the ones I meet at my gym, or the ones I meet in my local interfaith womens group.....

This is Stacey Dooley ten years ago visiting her home town of Luton. Plenty of burkas. Shocking really how she was treated in her home town.

youtu.be/qDbaVoOmeDs?si=HBGGUNQvdfuQrRkY

Oh, you mean like they are forced to in Afghanistan?

wow, what a terrific suggestion.

if they just wore burkas in their own homes and mosques and did not wear them in public places that would be a start.

Maremia

Monica, some places for you to try where you would not be arrested,
Brighton Beach, Studland Bay, Druridge Bay.
Personally, I prefer to 'tourist' in Seasalt, East and Monsoon dresses.
But each to their own.

But those are permitted areas and usually enclosed and the people stripping off must stay in their area and not be seen by the general public - a bit like the rules governing those who wear burqas

Maremia

Lathyrus, you don't know where my quote comes from?
My post clearly tells you that I asked Google.
????????

Well even quotes on Google come from somewhere. It’s just a search engine, not an author🤔😄

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Monica, some places for you to try where you would not be arrested,
Brighton Beach, Studland Bay, Druridge Bay.
Personally, I prefer to 'tourist' in Seasalt, East and Monsoon dresses.
But each to their own.

Lathyrus, you don't know where my quote comes from?
My post clearly tells you that I asked Google.
????????

Well I’m not bothered for one.
There are cultural practices and cultural practices and many are just awful.

Until we acknowledge there is a great divide in cultural practices in human society - as opposed to religious requirements, though the two often go hand in hand - and how, as a free country we choose to accept or reject others' cultural practices without a rascist bias, we will never reach any kind of concensus.

In my opinion, cultural practices are not sacrosanct especially when they are the cause of harm, pain and distress. The cultural requirement to be modest and visually promote that modesty is a demand of men, women do not care. I asked upthread how many on here are in any way bothered about other womens' modesty. Are we?

Iam64

FWIW Babs03, I done see anti semitism as any less likely to appear on the forum than anti Islamic comments.

The frequent references to parts of the country, such as Leicester or ‘the North’ not recognisable as British seems largely aimed at communities of Pakistani Muslim heritage. My northern mill town has a large such community, living alongside white British, Polish, Ukrainian and increasingly African people. Our small Jewish community settled down the road, along with other Jewish people.

The thing I struggle with is casual racism on gransnet. I’m all for debate about our changing country but ….

It’s facts, not “casual racism”. I answered a question honestly.

The talk was about where you’re likely to see women wearing the burqa and niqab Iam64 so certain places are mentioned.
I would be surprised if it was Cheltenham or Chipping Camden.

FWIW Babs03, I done see anti semitism as any less likely to appear on the forum than anti Islamic comments.

The frequent references to parts of the country, such as Leicester or ‘the North’ not recognisable as British seems largely aimed at communities of Pakistani Muslim heritage. My northern mill town has a large such community, living alongside white British, Polish, Ukrainian and increasingly African people. Our small Jewish community settled down the road, along with other Jewish people.

The thing I struggle with is casual racism on gransnet. I’m all for debate about our changing country but ….

And areas of London too Primrose53

Babs03

@Oreo

“Wrong again!”

You don’t get to say who is wrong or right Oreo. This is a debate not an exam.

Oh but I do, as that’s my opinion.

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@Oreo

“Wrong again!”

You don’t get to say who is wrong or right Oreo. This is a debate not an exam.

Are there areas in the UK where this is more commonplace? If I go into town to the market I maybe see like one or two women wearing the niqab but no more than that. I've never seen anyone wearing a full burka and our town is very mixed.

AI suggests less than 0.1% muslim women in the UK wear one.

Babs03

Galaxy

I am happy to talk about Jewish traditions. There are of course numerous accusations of racism on this thread.

Quite frankly there have been racist comments made, am not sure how numerous they are and am not about to check, nor am I going to waste time tittle tattling about who said what and when.
Racism against Muslims is at record levels in the UK and I do see that reflected on this site, of course antisemitism is also at record levels but I do not see that reflected in the same way on this site.
It appears that one form of racism has become more acceptable than any other, others can dispute that robustly, I expect as much, but believe me I have Muslim members of the family and Muslim friends and they would feel offended by what has been said on this thread, not because they wear a burka or even know anyone who does, but because this topic is a very thin disguise for racist content.
Liberating women from patriarchal constructs of which religion is one affects women all over the world and just honing in on a very small minority because it suits a racist agenda makes a mockery of what feminism is all about.

Wrong again!
This topic is an interesting one around the total obliteration of a woman when she is covered up head to toe for no better reason than it was the culture, a backward looking culture, from another country.Upheld and liked by the males in that country.Now living in the UK it would be good for those women to wear the headscarf only and take full part in everything this country has to offer them.

Babs03

Galaxy

I don't really understand what you mean, are you saying we can only talk about things that are politicised. I don't agree obviously.

Well if all discussions are welcome how about discussing married female Hasidic Jews who wear wigs, layers of clothes and thick stockings when married and live in strict patriarchal communities . And let’s see how quickly comments are taken down and posters accused of antisemitism.
You see we actually can’t talk about anything, unless it is pertaining to a group that is fair game right now.
But if we can talk about it let’s do that and talk about liberating other women from different groups in the name of balance.

That’s nonsense Babs03
Anyone on here can discuss religious Jews who cover their hair with wigs or Catholic women who used to wear a hat or a headscarf or Muslim head coverings.
Jews are probably considered just as fair game if not more, than Muslims btw.
An interesting point about Jewish wigs is that they used to be very stiff and wig like but now women are wearing lovely ones, often long and silky and probably more attractive than their own hair.😄It seems to be accepted.