An interesting slant on the wearing of a burqa.

CariadAgain

Re the Turkish guys comment - I often got that sort of comment that they thought I was virtue signalling with the way I was often dressed when in Turkey on holiday. Nope - I'd just taken a look at how hot the weather was etc and on went a loose maxi dress and a loose scarf over my head. No I wasn't being "Oh you - Turkish lady". I was dressing for their hot weather and well aware of my fathers skin cancer all over.

Yes I take your point. .i think this guy wasnt religious and thought the virtue signalling was look how religious I am. At least that is what he said.

The point is that, in some areas of the country, the situation is highly highly unlikely to arise. Whereas there are some places where it will be rather frequent (because of a low proportion of the people living in that area wearing normal Western clothing).

Not sure if your point. It is still 0.001% of the total population.

Whitewavemark2

We are talking about 0.001% of women in the U.K. who wear an burka according to data.

But that will vary across the country.

In some areas it will be a case of "never/hardly ever" and I've only seen one in the 12 years I've been here...though I've seen a few headscarves here recently.

In my southern home city there is the very very occasional burqa now. There will be places where there's loads of them being worn - I've seen videos taken in parts of London for instance where darn nearly every woman is wearing cover-up non-Western clothing and there's a noticeable number in burqas.

So it does seem to vary very much according to what part of the country one is in. Welsh Wales = basically non-existent. Roads in England where you have to check the road signs and chainstore names to see if you are still in England = that will be where burqas are sometimes worn basically I'd say. So it's going to be 0% in some areas basically and 10%/maybe more in other areas. It's not evenly spread out.

We are talking about 0.001% of women in the U.K. who wear an burka according to data.

If that was the law of the land then that would happen.
Practical reasons would prevail.

Shel1951

For me it boils down to being able to see the face of the person coming towards me.
A lot is told by the expressions on our faces, friendly , unfriendly?, threatening, etc.
I also wouldn't want to come across a person in a full balaclava coming towards me.
I remember a news article where a jewelry shop was raided by 3 men in burka, they couldn't identify them

Do motorcyclists still have to remove their helmets in banks to enable the staff to see their faces? Would a bank be brave enough to apply that ruling to all headgear covering faces?

Re the Turkish guys comment - I often got that sort of comment that they thought I was virtue signalling with the way I was often dressed when in Turkey on holiday. Nope - I'd just taken a look at how hot the weather was etc and on went a loose maxi dress and a loose scarf over my head. No I wasn't being "Oh you - Turkish lady". I was dressing for their hot weather and well aware of my fathers skin cancer all over.

I guess if a man is your "meal ticket" and he (ie the men you are looking at as "possibles") wants a woman dressed "modestly" then you virtue signal by wearing that?

I guess most women signal what they want in the way they dress? When I was younger I was sorta aiming for a while in "looking for a boyfriend - but no I do NOT mean a one-night hook-up" type direction in the way I was dressing.

I look at videos/photos of young women in "show your knickers" length tight skirts and wonder if they're deliberately signalling "yours just for the night" or no and, until I'd sussed things out a bit, would tend to steer more towards the women in loose trousers instead type get-up for a night out (just in case men mistook me for a temporary hook-up person). Though things may be different these days in that age group to what they were when I was in that age group and maybe the "show your knickers" length type tight skirts don't mean anything these days?

A guess a lot of women of any agegroup will dress a bit in accordance with the women they see as "their group". Maybe/hopefully not as much as they did - I was surprised to see photos of a group of women out for a day out in the 1950s sometimes when I moved here - and even more surprised when I read that the photo was actually taken in the 1980s.

We do dress a lot as a signal for the "group we identify with".

Nannee49

Why do women who wear the burqa and other forms of "modest" dress feel the need to advertise their modesty?
Who are they signalling their virtue to?
As a woman, I couldn't give a flying f**k how "modest" or not other women are.
Does anyone on here?

No, me neither. Interestingly on holiday in Turkey a Muslim Turk was saying this to us, about it being a form of virtue signalling.

Why do women who wear the burqa and other forms of "modest" dress feel the need to advertise their modesty?
Who are they signalling their virtue to?
As a woman, I couldn't give a flying f**k how "modest" or not other women are.
Does anyone on here?

Perhaps dismissing a post as 'silly' is also passive aggressive?
Every day is a learning day on Gransnet.

More accusation from you Oreo?

Shut rather than sh** obviously!

I pay as much attention to the shouts of racism as I did to the shouts of transphobia. It is an attempt to shit women up, although one that nobody pays any attention to now.

Maremia I think your post on passive aggressive could be viewed as passive aggressive by some. It's like looking at an infinity mirror on here sometimes.

I think you may enjoy stirring the pot Maremia is that so? Not very edifying.

'silly'? Are you saying that some posts are 'silly'?
Now that is rude.

Only in your opinion Oreo, which of course matters too. But only in your opinion, was the post passive aggressive. In fact it could be suggested, not that I am doing it, but it could be suggested that your post could be viewed by some, as being passive aggressive.

Babs03

Allira

Racist tropes abound on here

And it is concerning that some posters have no concern for he coercion and control of women by men.
It is brushed aside.

There are many women in the UK coerced and controlled by men, too many subjected to domestic violence. This is a very important subject to me as a women, but I don’t see how pointing at a very small percentage of Muslim women helps with the much bigger picture here.

Why not?

It is a big problem and this is just a small part of it but that should not preclude us from discussing it as it is entirely relevant.

Choice or coercion?

Maremia

Is it possible to be 'rude' in a passive aggressive way?
Is it 'rude' to point out that there are other opinions?
It is rude, in my humble opinion, to jump to conclusions about another's belief, when in fact all they are doing is fact checking.

It certainly is possible to be rude in a passive aggressive way as already pointed out.

Whitewavemark2

OK let’s replace that “unthinking phrase” with ultra nativist or authoritarianism or nationalism or national-conservatism or anti-immigration.

I’m easy - it all amounts to the same thing.

No let’s not bother writing either, both silly explanations when the truth is that women just want other women to have the same freedoms to live a full life.Nobody has that while dressed in the burqa.

Whitewavemark2

It is however pretty rude (some might even suggest it was racist - I couldn’t possibly comment) to suggest that the evidence was written by a Muslim man🙄, because the post happens to disagree with your pov.

Was it written by a Muslim man? We have no idea as you just say it was googled.Always best to quote your sources.
The only dog whistling done on this thread is by those who constantly write the words racist and right wing.They have become meaningless words.

It is however pretty rude (some might even suggest it was racist - I couldn’t possibly comment) to suggest that the evidence was written by a Muslim man🙄, because the post happens to disagree with your pov.

OK let’s replace that “unthinking phrase” with ultra nativist or authoritarianism or nationalism or national-conservatism or anti-immigration.

I’m easy - it all amounts to the same thing.