Can I just ask.....

The law is an ass 😒

Nandalot

Whitewavemark2

I remember being very peeved when the dentist would not let me join in the discussion about orthodontic work being considered to my 15 year olds teeth.

That seems odd, Whitewavemark2, as you would probably be the one paying for it!

In UK, The NHS provides free orthodontic treatment to children deemed to require it.

GrandmaC47

Parents, or guardians with legal parental responsibility, CAN access online for the under 16s.

Scroll down; it says

"Before giving you access, the GP surgery may need to check:
<...>
that the child consents to your access (agrees to it) or lacks capacity to consent, if they are aged 11 or over
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So if an 11 yr + child falls ill/ has an accident etc a parent may not be able to advise medics on the scene whether or not that child is taking any meds or has any health problems - presumably until the child is in a hospital and record can be accessed?

I fully realise that a girl cannot get herself pregnant without male semen. I thought it was pretty obvious what I was trying to infer, perhaps I need to expand exactly what I mean for people to understand although other people have not passed comment on it like you and two others have.

Totally agree Wazzam. That phrase implies blame or judgement but a girl cannot physically ‘get herself’ pregnant unless she’s using donated sperm! If my parent had that attitude I certainly wouldn’t want them to have access to my medical records.

Wazzam
My point is/was girls don't get Themselves pregnant. How about if a boy gets a girl pregnant!

I didn't know that .
It seems young .
I'm concerned about undiagnosed neurodivergence in a child ,who is unable to comprehend the matter fully .

Casdon has touched on this in her post .

Some years ago ,my father had something described as a "a cardiac incident."
I asked the Doctor to clarify the diagnosis .
I was told that I wasn't allowed to know a lnd that he understood all about his condition .
He did not .
Within days he had another illness and I was severely reprimanded for not knowing what the cardiac incident was by a paramedic and then ,by a doctor on A and E .

Paperbackwriter/Supergirlsnan and NannyC1, I only used what I consider to be a worse scenario that is why I used the words 'FOR EXAMPLE'.
Is this an example of what this Forum is like if people do not agree with things that people say and the responses they get?

Whitewavemark2

I remember being very peeved when the dentist would not let me join in the discussion about orthodontic work being considered to my 15 year olds teeth.

That’s normal as the child has to want the treatment , not the parent . The child has to be prepared to care for their teeth during treatment and care for the appliances. If the child isn’t interested the orthodontist can refuse treatment.

welbeck

Is this roughly what used to be called Gillick competence

Yes it is

I am retired now, but three years ago the age was 16, however, the surgery may have their own policy

It’s a good thing. Children over the age of eleven have the right to keep things private. It would discourage many to seek medical help if it was otherwise. I remember going to the doctor in the late 1970s and feeling relieved to be told everything was confidential. I was fifteen at the time.

Paperback writer thank you for this.
Wazzam "how did the girl get herself pregnant"? Did she steal sperm from a bloke and use it to get herself pregnant? Or did a male impregnate her?

Paperback Writer you beat me to it. What a silly thing to think/write.

"If, for example, a girl gets herself pregnant at age 14/15/16"

Wow - who would ever say, a girl 'gets herself pregnant'???? Can people think a bit before they post such a statement please?

Whitewavemark2

I remember being very peeved when the dentist would not let me join in the discussion about orthodontic work being considered to my 15 year olds teeth.

That seems odd, Whitewavemark2, as you would probably be the one paying for it!

I remember being very peeved when the dentist would not let me join in the discussion about orthodontic work being considered to my 15 year olds teeth.

As wazzam says, seems that there’s a lot of misalignment, it that’s nothing new.

Slightly different but I was rather bemused when a hospital wouldn’t tell me how my daughter was after an operation as I was not next-of-kin. They would only talk to her (now ex) husband. So I couldn’t tell her son, who was staying with us while she was in hospital, how his mummy was.

That is correct, she does not have to inform her parents if she does not wish to do so Wazzam. A child does not have to have a parent present for a police interview either, it can be any appropriate adult, and the child needs to consent in the same way as for medical treatment.

Firstly, thank you for all your replies.
So, let me get this right. If, for example, a girl gets herself pregnant at age 14/15/16 and has an abortion then she can request that her parents are not told about it!
Then what is the difference between that example and a teenager of 14/15/16 who is arrested for an offence who has to have their parents there before a Police Interview can take place?
I just find this law incredible that a child can request this when the Parents have responsibility of their child to age 18.

welbeck is right - this has been the case since 1983.

They supposedly have capacity to make decisions on their medical records at 11 but not to understand why they shouldn't carry a knife, take drugs, steal etc etc. Unbelievable.

I can't see anything wrong with it.
I guess am emergency situation might be different.
But in the normal course of things I imagine most children would be willing to give their authorisation.
And if not then that is sad or regrettable but perhaps that child is coping as best they can in difficult circumstances.
I guess in some case re mental health it may be more complicated.
But again in extreme cases the question of competence is relevant.

Wow!!!! Mixed feelings about that 😕