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Wazzam Tue 02-Dec-25 16:05:29

My Daughter has just been told that because my Grand-Daughter has now reached the age of 11 her own Mother cannot now access her own Daughters Medical Record without the Childs permission? Is that true?

Casdon Tue 02-Dec-25 16:08:15

Yes.
www.nhs.uk/nhs-services/gps/gp-services-for-someone-else-proxy-access/parent-and-guardian-proxy-access-for-children/

Cossy Tue 02-Dec-25 16:22:39

Wow! 11 seems a be little young!

BlueBelle Tue 02-Dec-25 16:24:17

I would have expected 15 or 16 …..11 is very young

GrandmaC47 Wed 03-Dec-25 13:48:24

Parents, or guardians with legal parental responsibility, CAN access online for the under 16s.

Casdon Wed 03-Dec-25 14:08:23

The section immediately below the one you copied explains that you have to have the child’s permission GeandmaC7.
Children's rights, capacity and consent

‘Children have the same legal rights over their data as adults. The GP surgery must get the child's consent before giving access to their online GP services, if the child is able to understand and make an informed decision. This is called having capacity.

Children aged 11 or over are usually considered to have the capacity to consent, or refuse access, unless for example they have a medical condition or learning disability that affects their understanding.’

welbeck Wed 03-Dec-25 14:13:46

Is this roughly what used to be called Gillick competence

welbeck Wed 03-Dec-25 14:14:37

In which case it's nothing new.
Goes back about 30 plus years ?

Shelflife Wed 03-Dec-25 14:15:43

Wow!!!! Mixed feelings about that 😕

welbeck Wed 03-Dec-25 14:19:08

I can't see anything wrong with it.
I guess am emergency situation might be different.
But in the normal course of things I imagine most children would be willing to give their authorisation.
And if not then that is sad or regrettable but perhaps that child is coping as best they can in difficult circumstances.
I guess in some case re mental health it may be more complicated.
But again in extreme cases the question of competence is relevant.

4allweknow Wed 03-Dec-25 15:38:07

They supposedly have capacity to make decisions on their medical records at 11 but not to understand why they shouldn't carry a knife, take drugs, steal etc etc. Unbelievable.

Casdon Wed 03-Dec-25 15:44:45

welbeck is right - this has been the case since 1983.

Wazzam Wed 03-Dec-25 15:47:01

Firstly, thank you for all your replies.
So, let me get this right. If, for example, a girl gets herself pregnant at age 14/15/16 and has an abortion then she can request that her parents are not told about it!
Then what is the difference between that example and a teenager of 14/15/16 who is arrested for an offence who has to have their parents there before a Police Interview can take place?
I just find this law incredible that a child can request this when the Parents have responsibility of their child to age 18.

Casdon Wed 03-Dec-25 15:51:01

That is correct, she does not have to inform her parents if she does not wish to do so Wazzam. A child does not have to have a parent present for a police interview either, it can be any appropriate adult, and the child needs to consent in the same way as for medical treatment.

lixy Wed 03-Dec-25 15:54:13

As wazzam says, seems that there’s a lot of misalignment, it that’s nothing new.

Slightly different but I was rather bemused when a hospital wouldn’t tell me how my daughter was after an operation as I was not next-of-kin. They would only talk to her (now ex) husband. So I couldn’t tell her son, who was staying with us while she was in hospital, how his mummy was.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 03-Dec-25 16:10:05

I remember being very peeved when the dentist would not let me join in the discussion about orthodontic work being considered to my 15 year olds teeth.

Nandalot Wed 03-Dec-25 16:16:43

Whitewavemark2

I remember being very peeved when the dentist would not let me join in the discussion about orthodontic work being considered to my 15 year olds teeth.

That seems odd, Whitewavemark2, as you would probably be the one paying for it!

Paperbackwriter Wed 03-Dec-25 17:30:34

"If, for example, a girl gets herself pregnant at age 14/15/16"

Wow - who would ever say, a girl 'gets herself pregnant'???? Can people think a bit before they post such a statement please?

supergirlsnan Wed 03-Dec-25 17:36:12

Paperback Writer you beat me to it. What a silly thing to think/write.

NannyC1 Wed 03-Dec-25 18:39:14

Paperback writer thank you for this.
Wazzam "how did the girl get herself pregnant"? Did she steal sperm from a bloke and use it to get herself pregnant? Or did a male impregnate her?

HobbyCat Wed 03-Dec-25 19:05:44

It’s a good thing. Children over the age of eleven have the right to keep things private. It would discourage many to seek medical help if it was otherwise. I remember going to the doctor in the late 1970s and feeling relieved to be told everything was confidential. I was fifteen at the time.

Fflaurie Wed 03-Dec-25 19:31:00

I am retired now, but three years ago the age was 16, however, the surgery may have their own policy

Tenko Wed 03-Dec-25 19:36:28

welbeck

Is this roughly what used to be called Gillick competence

Yes it is

Tenko Wed 03-Dec-25 19:45:20

Whitewavemark2

I remember being very peeved when the dentist would not let me join in the discussion about orthodontic work being considered to my 15 year olds teeth.

That’s normal as the child has to want the treatment , not the parent . The child has to be prepared to care for their teeth during treatment and care for the appliances. If the child isn’t interested the orthodontist can refuse treatment.

Wazzam Wed 03-Dec-25 20:18:13

Paperbackwriter/Supergirlsnan and NannyC1, I only used what I consider to be a worse scenario that is why I used the words 'FOR EXAMPLE'.
Is this an example of what this Forum is like if people do not agree with things that people say and the responses they get?