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watermeadow Thu 15-Jan-26 17:33:56

Officialese is increasingly American. The cadaver (body) of a male (man) who passed (died) was hit by a shooter (gunman) and taken for autopsy (post mortem)

keepingquiet Wed 14-Jan-26 14:13:08

It shouldn't matter what the term is if you are a relative of a victim.

The fact remains that the homicide/murder rate is 60% lower in London since records began in 2003.

If you find that unpalatable there's something wrong with you.

Maremia Wed 14-Jan-26 14:03:47

Graphite, wow!

Sarnia Wed 14-Jan-26 08:21:03

More American influence.

Oreo Tue 13-Jan-26 10:21:37

Not as exciting?

Franbern Tue 13-Jan-26 08:07:14

Graphite, thanks for excellent detailed comment on this. I often get annoyed at some of the 'cosy murder' dramas on tv, where somewhere was killed unlawfully, but accidently, and at the end they are charged with murder. Why do these programmes never use the term 'manslaughter'?

Graphite Mon 12-Jan-26 23:19:53

… whereas in the US is always referred to as homicide.

No it isn’t and isn’t an American import.

The roots are in Latin and Germanic languages.

In classical Latin, homicida is a murderer - man who murders.

It’s partly a borrowing from French as well as Latin but also occurs in Spanish and Portuguese.

Homicide can be found in English writing as far back as the 14th century. It’s in Chaucer’s The Monk’s Tale and also in Shakespeare’s Henry Vi Part 1 - Salisbury is a desperate Homicide. Lord Byron - And her, the homicide and husband-killer.

However, from the 19th century that use became less common than its use to describe the act of killing.

The word murder is inherited from Germanic languages.

In law murder is “criminal homicide with malice aforethought” The deliberate and unlawful killing of a human being in a premeditated manner.

In earlier centuries was written as murther. Again in Shakespeare, Titis Andronicus. His traitorous sonnes, That dide by law for murther of our brother.

There are many, many example of both homicide and murther (and murder) in English writing long before anyone set sail for the New World.

The term murder can also be found in American writing. Pennsylvania Statutes: All murder which shall be perpetrated by..any kind of willful, deliberate, or premeditated killing, shall be deemed murder of the first degree; and all other kinds of murder shall be deemed murder in the second degree. Cecil Roberts, Adrift in America: The farmer lived for 48 hours; however he lived long enough to make it only murder in the second degree.

I’ve watched enough episodes of Law & Order USA and its spin offs to know that the legal charge is murder or manslaughter. Watch this clip as an example:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3hyu9He09U&list=PL9DxL1Q_FD-O3UcqT80VUGD_sr2H5WP1o&index=4

Whenever these discussions come up, I would urge people to use their library card and log into the online Oxford Engish Dictionary. It will dispel this notion that words arrive here from America. They will have been taken to America by settlors or been familiar there through writing. Before America gained its independence, most printed matter was exported from Britain.

Casdon Mon 12-Jan-26 23:18:31

My simple brain just assumed it was the equivalent word to suicide - kill yourself, and kill another person.

BlueBelle Mon 12-Jan-26 23:15:35

Don’t like the use of the word homicide I immediately see an American highway when that word is said
It’s murder in UK not homicide Agatha Christy didn’t write Homicide on the Orient Express

Oreo Mon 12-Jan-26 22:48:24

It’s a Latin term isn’t it, which covers death from being killed either by manslaughter or murder.
I don’t mind it.

Bodach Mon 12-Jan-26 22:48:08

Cossy

Esmay

Murder is my preferred word and I like it when said by people from Scotland -
not that I condone murder !

😂😂😂… As in “there’s been a murderrrr”

Or in "Murderrrr Poliss!"

Fallingstar Mon 12-Jan-26 22:28:38

I just hope it isn’t another Americanism creeping into our language and just a one off. Brits do murder not homicide.

Cossy Mon 12-Jan-26 20:38:46

Esmay

Murder is my preferred word and I like it when said by people from Scotland -
not that I condone murder !

😂😂😂… As in “there’s been a murderrrr”

Esmay Mon 12-Jan-26 19:57:39

Murder is my preferred word and I like it when said by people from Scotland -
not that I condone murder !

Blossoming Mon 12-Jan-26 19:56:35

I thought it was the American term for murders.

David49 Mon 12-Jan-26 19:34:11

Homicide is American murder, are we to have “Homicide Mysteries” to solve

M0nica Mon 12-Jan-26 19:21:39

'Homicide' is an umbrella word that includes manslaughter as well as murder, so it is not a synonym for murder.

I think in the past police and officials spoke of 'murder and manslaughter', now they just say 'homicide.

Fallingstar Mon 12-Jan-26 19:17:54

Just watched the local London news and it was reported that homicide rates in the capital are lower than in previous years. But why say homicide rather than murder, surely in the UK we refer to it as murder whereas in the US is always referred to as homicide.
Am I the only one to notice this?