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sixandahalf Sun 01-Feb-26 09:30:58

This ghastly person and his gang seem to be everywhere in the news.
It's utterly depressing.

imaround Tue 03-Feb-26 19:25:03

I don't want anyone to think that these men in the US aren't about to get what's coming to them, fingers crossed, or that we are just talking about Andrew and Mandelson.

We all need to keep talking about this because these men and women will likely never have legal consequences. We can give them social consequences though. Remind everyone what they did every time they pop back up.

I am in a Never Forget mode about all of this. They do not get to slink away and enjoy their money in peace.

Iam64 Tue 03-Feb-26 19:26:45

You’re misrepresenting my previous posts Annie. We take very different views on these issues, that’s fine but I’d appreciate you not distorting my posts, in addition, I think it’s gransnet expectation that we don’t introduce other threads

Galaxy Tue 03-Feb-26 19:47:11

I think boys would have been involved too. These were predatory men.

M0nica Tue 03-Feb-26 19:47:16

Anniebach

MOnica

for AMW, his family are like all normal people and do not like washing their dirty linen in public. But when, a few months ago, the King announced his draconian actions on AMW, taking all his titles, and banishing him to a rundown farm house at the extremes of the Sandringham estate. The UK equivalent of being sent to Siberia, it was pretty clear then that this was because the King knew that there was more damning evidence due to come out of exactly what kind of unpleasant man and a disgrace t his family ANW really is.

You believe the King knew there was more to come months before ?

Yes, I do. What do you have diplomats and ambassadors for, if not to find out what is going on behind the scenes and making sure you afre prepared to it.

The King may not have known the exact detail but he would have known enough to know that the only way forward was to send Andrew to a gulag in Siberia and throw his ex-wife to the dogs.

Wyllow3 Tue 03-Feb-26 20:11:46

I've received a very good email from the group "Open Democracy" and will post it in full, as they have recommendations as regards the failures in our UK political system as regards the. rich, powerful, and entitled, including elected politicians.

"Over the past few days, more information has emerged about Peter Mandelson’s links to Jeffrey Epstein.

This includes reports that Mandelson maintained contact with Epstein after his 2008 conviction, and that messages shared with the media show Mandelson discussing sensitive political information and access in a way that has raised serious questions about the conduct expected of someone in public office.

The Metropolitan Police are now reportedly assessing whether any offences may have been committed, including misconduct in public office.

Let’s be absolutely clear about what’s at stake here. Jeffrey Epstein was not just a controversial figure. He was a convicted sex offender who used wealth and power to abuse, traffic, and exploit young women and girls. He is a symbol of impunity, of elites protecting each other, of justice delayed and denied.

So when a senior British political figure is reported to have stayed close to Epstein, and appears to have treated him as someone to brief, humour, and engage, it should shock everyone.

And it should also force us to confront an equally important truth. The political system is still built to protect the powerful from consequences

You can condemn Mandelson’s judgement. You can condemn the culture of access and insiderism that makes politicians feel untouchable. But if we stop there, we will have learned nothing.

A healthy democracy doesn’t only rely on good people behaving well. It relies on safeguards. Rules, oversight, transparency, and consequences that apply to everyone, no matter how connected they are.

Right now, those safeguards are brittle.

Mandelson has now reportedly resigned from the House of Lords, but resignation isn’t accountability. It’s the bare minimum.

The bigger question is, why is it so difficult to remove someone from the House of Lords in the first place?

Why does the country have to watch scandal after scandal unfold, only to be told the system can’t act decisively because the rules are outdated, murky, and designed to protect the institution rather than the public?

In almost any other setting, if someone’s conduct triggers serious questions about integrity, access, confidentiality, and the abuse of influence, there is a clear process: investigation, suspension, termination.

This scandal points to four major reforms

1) Abuse in public office must have real consequences. If allegations involve the misuse of public position, the sharing of confidential information, or the trading of access, investigations must be swift, independent, and transparent.

A culture of “we’ll look into it quietly” is exactly what enables wrongdoing to fester. If someone is alleged to have abused public office, the public deserves answers, and if wrongdoing is found, the public deserves consequences.

2) Major political appointments need far stronger vetting. Time and again, we see the same pattern, the people who rise to the very top are treated as if they are beyond scrutiny. But the higher the office, the higher the standard should be.

That means stronger vetting before appointments, stronger disclosure rules around relationships and conflicts of interest, and stronger independent checks where public trust is at stake.

We shouldn’t have to rely on leaks and investigative journalism to find out what the establishment would rather keep hidden.

3) The rules around removing a Lord are a democratic embarrassment. In 2026, it should not be “too difficult” to remove someone from the House of Lords.

And yet that’s the reality. It is far easier for powerful people to keep their privileges than it is for the public to see accountability done properly.

That is why the Lords needs a clear, enforceable mechanism to remove peers when serious wrongdoing is alleged or established, and to remove the title and the power that comes with it.

If you can’t lose your place and status when you disgrace public office, then the institution is structurally incapable of accountability.

4) We need democratic reform to stop the rot. This scandal isn’t a one-off. It’s part of a wider problem, the erosion of trust in politics.

*People look at Westminster and see:
friends rewarded with jobs,
insiders protected from repercussions,
rules that are bent for the well-connected,
and institutions that move slowly, or not at all, when power is involved*

Fixing our democracy isn’t just a nice-to-have. It’s the only way to restore trust and protect our democracy. Otherwise disillusionment will spiral out of control, and the country will be dragged further and further to the extremes.

This isn’t about partisan point-scoring. It’s about whether the rules apply equally.

Because if we cannot hold the powerful to account, then we are not living in a democracy with checks and balances. We are living in a system where status shields you from repercussions.

The Open Britain Team

valdavi Tue 03-Feb-26 20:23:46

Netherbyg84

Could somebody please tell me why the women who allegedly had sexual relations with the former Duke, met him of their own free will as consenting adults?
Or are we to understand they were kidnapped and brought to him by force?

Groomed, I think is the contention. But I agree, she was "in her 20s" and I imagine that's 22 plus (else age would've been specified).
I very much doubt she was smuggled in in a shipping container on the promise of a career in IT or catering or whatever.
There are degrees of victimhood.

Galaxy Tue 03-Feb-26 20:29:57

Far stronger vetting? Perhaps they could just use the maxim if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, then it is a duck. I am happy to write the policy for them.

Galaxy Tue 03-Feb-26 20:31:15

I think Mcsweeny will be gone within a month.

imaround Tue 03-Feb-26 20:42:09

Hear, hear Wyllow!

Casdon Tue 03-Feb-26 20:58:07

Galaxy

Far stronger vetting? Perhaps they could just use the maxim if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, then it is a duck. I am happy to write the policy for them.

What about the ducks dressed as swans though?

Iam64 Tue 03-Feb-26 20:59:19

Why the focus on minimising the exploitation and abuse of women and girls by implying the men involved are absolved of responsibility.

Iam64 Tue 03-Feb-26 21:00:00

I’m hoping McSweeney goes this week

Casdon Tue 03-Feb-26 21:10:40

I think he will Iam64. When they say they have full confidence in somebody, it’s a sign,

Iam64 Tue 03-Feb-26 21:14:26

I’m disappointed (understatement) in Keir Starmer but comms have been shocking. McSweeney has failed to advise and protect so off he should go.
Especially in light of his influence on Mandelson

petra Tue 03-Feb-26 21:18:35

valdavi

Netherbyg84

Could somebody please tell me why the women who allegedly had sexual relations with the former Duke, met him of their own free will as consenting adults?
Or are we to understand they were kidnapped and brought to him by force?

Groomed, I think is the contention. But I agree, she was "in her 20s" and I imagine that's 22 plus (else age would've been specified).
I very much doubt she was smuggled in in a shipping container on the promise of a career in IT or catering or whatever.
There are degrees of victimhood.

Netherbyg84
From your post I have to assume you’ve never spoken with any femail sex workers. If you had you would be truely shocked at the threats they are exposed to.
This woman who was trafficked to Andrew was more than likely controlled by the Russian mafia.

petra Tue 03-Feb-26 21:19:53

And now the Norwegian royal family are being spoken to.

www.theguardian.com/world/2026/feb/01/norway-crown-princess-contact-epstein-files-appear-to-show

Casdon Tue 03-Feb-26 21:22:28

Agreed Iam64.

Every scandal reveals more loopholes in the governance systems too, one small crumb of comfort I heard from Ian Hislop in an interview today was that at least there is still some morality, so it will be public and it will be dealt with. Hopefully there are no more British elephants in the Epstein room.

Iam64 Tue 03-Feb-26 21:30:13

Thank you Petra. I was momentarily lost for words, remembering the adult women in the so called sex industry that I got to know

imaround Tue 03-Feb-26 21:35:25

How much credence should we be giving to the Daily Mail article about Epstein's tie to Putin?

I don't typically consider the DM a credible source, but it sure does look like they have the receipts. If nothing else, the DM knows how to scour information to glean what they can out of it as quickly as they can. They have proven that with every book ever written about/by a Royal. wink

It has gotten so ridiculous that anything is in the realm of possibility now.

Maremia Tue 03-Feb-26 21:39:04

Very powerful post Wyllow.

Maremia Tue 03-Feb-26 21:41:55

Well said valdavi and petra. I hope your explanations will silence the victim blaming.

Allira Tue 03-Feb-26 21:45:40

petra

valdavi

Netherbyg84

Could somebody please tell me why the women who allegedly had sexual relations with the former Duke, met him of their own free will as consenting adults?
Or are we to understand they were kidnapped and brought to him by force?

Groomed, I think is the contention. But I agree, she was "in her 20s" and I imagine that's 22 plus (else age would've been specified).
I very much doubt she was smuggled in in a shipping container on the promise of a career in IT or catering or whatever.
There are degrees of victimhood.

Netherbyg84
From your post I have to assume you’ve never spoken with any femail sex workers. If you had you would be truely shocked at the threats they are exposed to.
This woman who was trafficked to Andrew was more than likely controlled by the Russian mafia.

petra 👏👏👏
And Iam64

It must be blissful to live in ignorance of the seamier and frankly nasty side of life that so many, particularly girls and women, have to endure and how hard others work to try to help and put things right.

Casdon Tue 03-Feb-26 22:00:32

imaround

How much credence should we be giving to the Daily Mail article about Epstein's tie to Putin?

I don't typically consider the DM a credible source, but it sure does look like they have the receipts. If nothing else, the DM knows how to scour information to glean what they can out of it as quickly as they can. They have proven that with every book ever written about/by a Royal. wink

It has gotten so ridiculous that anything is in the realm of possibility now.

I saw something today about the Norwegian PM to do with that, I’ll see if I can find it.

Casdon Tue 03-Feb-26 22:07:42

news.sky.com/story/i-still-would-like-to-meet-putin-epsteins-unrequited-love-for-russian-leader-13502862
This was it.

KKOB Tue 03-Feb-26 22:10:29

sixandahalf

This ghastly person and his gang seem to be everywhere in the news.
It's utterly depressing.

Nobody's forcing you to read, watch or listen to it are they ?