Epstein, so sick of it everywhere.

Here we go again. These women were groomed and trafficked. Many of them were not consenting adults.

It is a very privileged life one leads to decide that one is tired of seeing the evidence of a massive sex trafficking ring that destroyed the lives of many young girls at the hands of some of the world's most powerful men.

Oh and that is a hilarious picture of prostitution I am afraid.
Would you like to know the statistics in relation to violence that men who use prostitutes represent compared to men who don't.

They have always said that the president of the USA is one of the most important people in the world - but as Epstein seems to be a curse for all of his associates I think Epstein must be the most powerful person in the world .
I agree that females under the age of consent should have been protected but is 26 year old (at the time) really a victim? it makes women out to be stupid and incapable of looking after themselves

Hard to believe any woman would condone this. I'm glad that most posts I've read are condemning these disgusting men.

Allira

CoolCoco

I can't believe all the anti women 'blame the victim" posts on here. Even if all the women were 'nice girls" , "in it for the money", no under aged or coerced in anyway ( unlikely), then it would still be demeaning and sleazy for the middle aged men with wealth and power who were involved. I expect you blame women who are raped for "asking for it".

Shocking, isn't it.

Yes, it is shocking

CoolCoco

I can't believe all the anti women 'blame the victim" posts on here. Even if all the women were 'nice girls" , "in it for the money", no under aged or coerced in anyway ( unlikely), then it would still be demeaning and sleazy for the middle aged men with wealth and power who were involved. I expect you blame women who are raped for "asking for it".

Shocking, isn't it.

So Allira, not all women are groomed; some do it by choice and they regard it as a business.

Do you think I'm stupid, eazybee?

We are on this thread discussing Epstein and girls, some under-age, many of whom were groomed by Maxwell for the entertainment of rich and powerful men.

An entirely different from adult women making lifestyle choices.
Your story is anecdotal anyway, and there are women and girls in this country too for whom this is not a choice.

I can't believe all the anti women 'blame the victim" posts on here. Even if all the women were 'nice girls" , "in it for the money", no under aged or coerced in anyway ( unlikely), then it would still be demeaning and sleazy for the middle aged men with wealth and power who were involved. I expect you blame women who are raped for "asking for it".

AGAA4

We constantly hear about the misdeeds of Andrew MW and Mandelson but this focus on them is helping to hide worse perpetrators.

These men need to be identified and brought to justice. At present they are getting away with it.

This concerns me. I believe the USA establishment is concentrating on our nationals and hiding behind them, using them as a smoke screen.This is not to suggest that they are not involved with this disgusting organisation of modern slavery and child abuse.

The administration in the USA should release the documents IN FULL, with no redactions except for the victims. I doubt this will happen all the time the Republicans (Trump) are in control. Would the Democrats is another question?

Any one involved with this should be extradited and face questions just as any other named person contained within the documents.

A lot of that information is already in the public domain..
www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/press-release/file/1180481/dl

Agree eazybee

Some years ago a male friend was buying his first flat and started moonlighting as a taxi-driver. It turned out that his taxi-service was for very special ' escorts' to and from the hotels where they met their clients; he had to park on the hotel forecourt in full view of the hotel and wait until the escort left. He described these women as being 'lovely'; intelligent, good-looking, friendly, able to talk about anything. One night one woman he was driving home said , you haven't asked the question, and when he asked, what question, she laughed and said, 'why is a nice girl like you doing this.?
He admitted he had thought it, and she said, we do it for the money, which is good, we are well treated, protected, the clients are pleasant and well vetted, and most of us earn money for something specific: school fees, deposit for a house, mortgage, starting a business, coping after a divorce, and we set a term on how long we will do this. Every one is extremely discreet.
So Allira, not all women are groomed; some do it by choice and they regard it as a business.
Under-age girls is something different, and many people forget that Virginia Guiffre first came to the notice of the authorities when her name was quoted by young girls from the Maxwell Epstein stable as the girl who recruited them as school friends.
No-one has ever said how much Epstein's 'harem' was paid; I would imagine it was considerable. I have never heard of anyone who tried to leave who was prevented; the complaints came after he was revealed to be a paedophile and a pimp.

Galaxy

Clinton behaved in a predatory way whilst president, he is not known for being truthful about his sexual behaviour.

He was a complete sleazeball when Governor of Arkansas.
Not just a sexual predator/ abuser but financially corrupt.

Smileless2012

Do any of the photo's actually show them doing anything wrong?

Presumably any sexually explicit photos have been redacted. The photos show men in a light which could be compromising, it’s a drip feed rather than the full story.

‘Twas always the way . We are just more aware of it I think.

foxie48

"It seems clear that there was a blackmail agenda, hence the numerous photos. I am very interested to know what has happened (or not happened) as a result of that. I doubt we'll find out the full story in any of our lifetimes." Doodledog

The security risks taken by these men were enormous and if, as suggested frequently in the press, Epstein had contacts with Russian and Israeli agents the possibility of blackmail for international espionage purposes should not be dismissed. It's never been clear where Epstein got his vast wealth from, basically who was bankrolling him? I also doubt we will ever know the full truth but there is still a lot more to come out about his activities.

Exactly. And who has had sight of all the 'files', and is deciding what gets released and when?

It's terrifying to think there are people controlling the world like this.

In many cases they were the lawmakers, or influenced those who were.

Laws and rules are just for the 'little people' to keep them under control, not for the extremely wealthy and those in positions of power.

These men need to be identified and brought to justice. At present they are getting away with it.

Yes.

"It seems clear that there was a blackmail agenda, hence the numerous photos. I am very interested to know what has happened (or not happened) as a result of that. I doubt we'll find out the full story in any of our lifetimes." Doodledog

The security risks taken by these men were enormous and if, as suggested frequently in the press, Epstein had contacts with Russian and Israeli agents the possibility of blackmail for international espionage purposes should not be dismissed. It's never been clear where Epstein got his vast wealth from, basically who was bankrolling him? I also doubt we will ever know the full truth but there is still a lot more to come out about his activities.

Do any of the photo's actually show them doing anything wrong?

Doodledog

I know, Allira. that's why I said 'usually'. It's not always possible to do good things without hurting people though, and a 'strong' person will do them anyway. Of course there are also those who just don't care, and those who enjoy power for its own sake, but being 'strong' is, like so many human traits, a two-edged sword.

I suppose it's similar to bullies often being cowards.

Allira

Elegran

Gran22boys

What I don’t get is why were photos taken?

Because of their potential for blackmailing the "clients" in high places.

Gran22boys

The "clients" may not have been aware that there were spy cameras and surveillance equipment everywhere, taking photos and videos of their activities for blackmail purposes.

They weren't being asked to pose for the camera.

Don’t you think? In some of the photos it looks to me as if they know, and aren’t fazed by having their pictures taken. They probably thought they were protected, so didn’t think anything of it at the time.

I know, Allira. that's why I said 'usually'. It's not always possible to do good things without hurting people though, and a 'strong' person will do them anyway. Of course there are also those who just don't care, and those who enjoy power for its own sake, but being 'strong' is, like so many human traits, a two-edged sword.

We constantly hear about the misdeeds of Andrew MW and Mandelson but this focus on them is helping to hide worse perpetrators.

These men need to be identified and brought to justice. At present they are getting away with it.

Elegran

Gran22boys

What I don’t get is why were photos taken?

Because of their potential for blackmailing the "clients" in high places.

Gran22boys

The "clients" may not have been aware that there were spy cameras and surveillance equipment everywhere, taking photos and videos of their activities for blackmail purposes.

They weren't being asked to pose for the camera.

Gran22boys

What I don’t get is why were photos taken?

Because of their potential for blackmailing the "clients" in high places.