Epstein, so sick of it everywhere.

Good post, Doodledog

Of course we shouldn't feel we need to wear a hair shirt and eat gruel if we wish to spend our hard-earned money on an innocent holiday in retirement!

One thing I might dispute, though,
Many people despise what they see as 'weakness' in others, but being 'strong' usually means being willing to hurt others, one way or another, and turning a blind eye when others do it.

Being strong does not always mean being willing to hurt others or turning a blind eye. That implies, to me anyway, a character fault.
Truly strong people will care for and rescue those in need. A truly strong person would have stood up to what was happening with Epstein and brought him to justice. These men are selfish, greedy, sleazy and weak. Not a strong one amongst them.

AmberGran, whilst I agree that there is no logical reason why those with money should be more 'moral' than those without, I can't equate going on a cruise with sex abuse.

Unless you are putting up a case for nobody having more than they need, in which case where do you draw the line? A cup of lentils a day, with electricity on 2 days a week? Would a camping holiday be allowed, if a cruise is immoral? Deciding what others 'need' is always problematic at best.

It should go without saying that I am not remotely condoning anything that happened on Epstein's island - all efforts should be made to prosecute everyone who abused trafficked women and girls, however powerful they may be, but I wonder if there is something about 'alpha men' that predisposes them to treat people as dispensable? Realistically, someone who 'rises to the top' has either been born into power, so has probably grown up surrounded by people who are paid to do as they're told, or they have pushed others out of the way to get there. Business is based on maximising profit, not caring for people, and politics can be ruthless, too. Again, I'm not excusing it, but there has to be a reason why so many powerful men agreed to go. Maybe a first visit might have been 'innocent' (as in they didn't know what would happen), but why would they keep going back? Many people despise what they see as 'weakness' in others, but being 'strong' usually means being willing to hurt others, one way or another, and turning a blind eye when others do it.

We don't know the full story, obviously. Were there several bases on the island, so that guests staying in some of them were cover for ones in the 'central' one? Did different parties have different MOs? Who knows, but the drip feeding of papers is not helping either the victims or any men who might have been there and kept out of the abuse.

It seems clear that there was a blackmail agenda, hence the numerous photos. I am very interested to know what has happened (or not happened) as a result of that. I doubt we'll find out the full story in any of our lifetimes.

Netherbyg84

Could somebody please tell me why the women who allegedly had sexual relations with the former Duke, met him of their own free will as consenting adults?
Or are we to understand they were kidnapped and brought to him by force?

Out of interest, are you a man, Netherbyg84?

You don't have to answer, of course.

Horrible nasty men and half of them should also be in jail with that horrible nasty woman Squillane.

Not all were consenting adults either.
Why do you assume the women, even if they were of age, were consenting?

Netherbyg84

Could somebody please tell me why the women who allegedly had sexual relations with the former Duke, met him of their own free will as consenting adults?
Or are we to understand they were kidnapped and brought to him by force?

They were groomed.

Perhaps you've never heard of grooming?

David49

Epstein was a nasty piece of work deliberately lureing wealthy men into his circle trying to get them to support his investment plans. When they didnt he alledged all sorts of inappropriate behaviour as revenge.

He even got chucked our of Mar a Lago because his behavior was too bad for Trump, thats pretty bad.

You imply that there was no inappropriate behaviour by any of these people (men) and that they were just allegations by Epstein in order to exact revenge because they refused to give him money.

I think the photos are a very important part of the evidence, so should be in the public domain. I’m less interested now in the already shamed - we know for sure that they were heavily involved. Andrew MW, Clinton, Mandelson are all finished men. There are more revelations to come, and new names who were involved are still coming forward. I want to know about the corruption, as well as the treatment of the girls and women involved, and how deep into the establishment it went, both in USA, other countries and the UK.

Could somebody please tell me why the women who allegedly had sexual relations with the former Duke, met him of their own free will as consenting adults?
Or are we to understand they were kidnapped and brought to him by force?

dogsmother

I think these disgusting entitled folk will just have to suffer, it is surely their turn!

I don’t think Obama was involved.

As I have read recently, Andrew is now an ex-Prince so why isn’t trump an ex-President? The cover up in the White House atm is beyond imagining.

behaviour.
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dogsmother
I think these disgusting entitled folk will just have to suffer, it is surely their turn!
Caleo
Exactly my point of view. Plus, if somebody is very rich he or she should shoulder the responsibility to use their wealth
wisely and well---not for their own selfish pleasures.

If not wealthy then selfish pleasures are acceptable ? money now decides who is responsible for civilised behaviour and who isn’t?

Epstein was a nasty piece of work deliberately lureing wealthy men into his circle trying to get them to support his investment plans. When they didnt he alledged all sorts of inappropriate behaviour as revenge.

He even got chucked our of Mar a Lago because his behavior was too bad for Trump, thats pretty bad.

I agree, sick of these silly photographs, although pleased to see Mandelson 'exposed' in the most humiliating manner.
I heard on the news that the Clintons had declined to answer any questions; no politician demanded that they should talk to the enquiry.
What is of concern is which rich and influential politicians were blackmailed by Epstein and what were the consequences.
But doubtless that evidence has been redacted.

Gran22boys

What I don’t get is why were photos taken?

So Epstein could manipulate/blackmail them.

'Plus, if somebody is very rich he or she should shoulder the responsibility to use their wealth wisely and well---not for their own selfish pleasures.'

IMO that's true for everyone. There are probably Grans on here that have far more money than they need and spend it on cruises and holidays - but it's their money to spend how they wish. I don't really see why someone with more money than others should be more moral than others.

The pictures of a woman lying on the floor with Andrew M.W kneeling down over her were sickening.
Yes she was fully clothed and, as we keep being told, he has strenuously denied any wrongdoing, but the pictures tell a different story.

I guess Clinton has * survived his brush with porn etc and think others should not get off lightly.

* Thanks to Hillary

So sleazy these Masters of the Universe, people who would like to see themselves as arbiters of how the rest of us should behave. No wonder us, the mere mortals revile them. Wasn't one well known multi bilionnaire infected with Syphillis from one of his outings to the Island of Shame courtesy of Epstein? It's what they do!. Davos' annual WEF and similar global "worthy" gatherings are also host to an unprecedented number of call girls as well as the delegates. No surprises really.

dogsmother

I think these disgusting entitled folk will just have to suffer, it is surely their turn!

Exactly my point of view. Plus, if somebody is very rich he or she should shoulder the responsibility to use their wealth wisely and well---not for their own selfish pleasures.

Clinton behaved in a predatory way whilst president, he is not known for being truthful about his sexual behaviour.

It is depressing to see the extent of the depravity and corruption, but nonetheless I’m glad they are out, although there are still more which haven’t been released. Presumably those are the really serious ones concerning the most important people. This needs to be exposed fully, and those responsible brought to justice, whoever they are.

After the Department of Justice released thousands of files related to convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein in a tranche on Friday that included a number of decades-old photographs of former President Bill Clinton, a spokesperson for Clinton on Monday called on all of the files relating to Clinton to be released.

In a statement, Clinton spokesperson Angel Ureña accused the DOJ of using the selective release of Epstein documents to imply wrongdoing where there is none, challenging the department to immediately release any remaining materials mentioning or showing Bill Clinton in the files.

'Ureña, a spokesperson for Clinton, wrote on Monday that the content and method of how the Department of Justice has released files makes it "clear" that “someone or something is being protected."

"We do not know whom, what or why," Ureña wrote. "But we do know this: We need no such protection.”
from abc news...

I think Clinton actually asked for the files to be released in their entirety, unlike the others implicated.

What I don’t get is why were photos taken?

I think these disgusting entitled folk will just have to suffer, it is surely their turn!