Jan Leeming said train your kids like dogs

I've never seen children careering round. I've heard little ones crying or a two year old having a tantrum but that isn't exactly awful and a parent normally removes them or puts something on their smart phone to distract them.

The thing I hate most is if you have someone kicking the back of your seat in a theatre but again I find it's more adults than children and I remember I was a child, I've had children, Ive got grandchildren and I assume parents are doing their best.

I might be lucky as DH has very white hair and a big white beard and little ones tend to think they've spotted Santa in plain clothes and interact very nicely with him. They never seem to register that his skin is somewhat darker than your average depiction of Santa.

Allira

^I have never seen children careering around a restaurant here in the U.K.^

Well, apparently they do according to reports!

I certainly have. Including, running hazards as waiters carry hot food; swinging on chairs occupied by other customers ( me), banging on the piano, throwing food from the plate, round the table, throwing sugar cubes round the room, shouting and whining.

This is in public spaces; imagine what they must be like at home.

Rosie51

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theworriedwell

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Maybe you've just been lucky, theworriedwell, but from the comments on here, some of us have certainly seen badly behaved children in eating places. It's not being prejudiced not to want children running about when waiting staff are carrying hot food and drinks, is it? I'm sure the parents would be the first to complain if their little darlings got scalded, for instance.

Maybe read the post I was replying to, poster says they are sighing if a family walk in. Surely that is prejudice as the children are just arriving and presumably havent don't anything.

If they have had bad experiences in the past, you can hardly blame them.

Does that acceptance stand for any prejudice based on previous bad experiences? I thought it was oft said not to judge entire demographics on a few examples, but maybe children are exempt from that guidance?

That's not what I'm saying and I think you know that. I'm just saying that if a person has had previous bad experiences with children behaving badly in an eating place and sees more children coming in, it's only natural for them to think 'oh here we go again'. I didn't say that's how I felt. But join the pile on...

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theworriedwell

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Maybe you've just been lucky, theworriedwell, but from the comments on here, some of us have certainly seen badly behaved children in eating places. It's not being prejudiced not to want children running about when waiting staff are carrying hot food and drinks, is it? I'm sure the parents would be the first to complain if their little darlings got scalded, for instance.

Maybe read the post I was replying to, poster says they are sighing if a family walk in. Surely that is prejudice as the children are just arriving and presumably havent don't anything.

If they have had bad experiences in the past, you can hardly blame them.

Does that acceptance stand for any prejudice based on previous bad experiences? I thought it was oft said not to judge entire demographics on a few examples, but maybe children are exempt from that guidance?

Tenko

I can see JL pov , I’ve been in nice restaurants where small children have been running around the room , getting in the way of the wait staff . Whilst the parents say “please sit down darling “ and the little darling totally ignores them .
My son worked in our village pub during uni holidays and said weekend lunchtimes were a nightmare , having to dodge small children whilst carrying plates of hot food and trays of drinks .
My two were taken to restaurants at a young age but took , books, games and colouring stuff and had to sit whilst we ate. If they started misbehaving, they were taken outside to calm down . They still remember going to a Chinese restaurant and learning how to use chopsticks.

Presumably it wasn't like that where JL went or the staff would have been more sympathetic to her point of view.

ViceVersa I wasn't blaming them just pointing out it is prejudice. Look how many people have told us on here about their well behaved children/grandchildren, assuming they are going to be a nuisance as soon as you see them isn't really fair, at least give them a chance.

My older grandsons are lifeguards at a local holiday park in uni holidays. They also do stints in the bar/restaurant/kitchen if they want more hours. They honestly don't moan about the children but they do moan about the adults. Two main issues come up, one is parents having a go at them if they've dived in to pull a child out who has gone out of their depth and is going under, the other is parents/grandparents buying alcohol for 16 and 17 year olds and then kicking off when bar staff go and confiscate said alcohol. They've had threats about both.

Eldest GS is ever helpful and recommends the local pubs that are less vigilant about licensing laws. I can't imagine how he knows.

France is four times as big as the U.K. with the same population.
This means food outlets are not so busy as in the U.K.
as well the roads not being so busy.

theworriedwell

I think the statistics are amazing. Seems like everyone on here has beautifully behaved children but encounter badly behaved children frequently.

Some of the beautifully behaved young members of my family have a weekend jobs waiting on in pubs/restaurants 😁
I must ask them if they encounter badly behaved children.

theworriedwell

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Maybe you've just been lucky, theworriedwell, but from the comments on here, some of us have certainly seen badly behaved children in eating places. It's not being prejudiced not to want children running about when waiting staff are carrying hot food and drinks, is it? I'm sure the parents would be the first to complain if their little darlings got scalded, for instance.

Maybe read the post I was replying to, poster says they are sighing if a family walk in. Surely that is prejudice as the children are just arriving and presumably havent don't anything.

If they have had bad experiences in the past, you can hardly blame them.

I think the statistics are amazing. Seems like everyone on here has beautifully behaved children but encounter badly behaved children frequently.

I can see JL pov , I’ve been in nice restaurants where small children have been running around the room , getting in the way of the wait staff . Whilst the parents say “please sit down darling “ and the little darling totally ignores them .
My son worked in our village pub during uni holidays and said weekend lunchtimes were a nightmare , having to dodge small children whilst carrying plates of hot food and trays of drinks .
My two were taken to restaurants at a young age but took , books, games and colouring stuff and had to sit whilst we ate. If they started misbehaving, they were taken outside to calm down . They still remember going to a Chinese restaurant and learning how to use chopsticks.

ViceVersa

Maybe you've just been lucky, theworriedwell, but from the comments on here, some of us have certainly seen badly behaved children in eating places. It's not being prejudiced not to want children running about when waiting staff are carrying hot food and drinks, is it? I'm sure the parents would be the first to complain if their little darlings got scalded, for instance.

Maybe read the post I was replying to, poster says they are sighing if a family walk in. Surely that is prejudice as the children are just arriving and presumably havent don't anything.

:49Tuliptree

Sparklefizz

Twenty odd years ago there was a seaside cafe in Weston Super Mare that had a sign saying "Any children behaving badly will be put in chains and sold into slavery!"

It probably had to be removed!

I’ve seen (more recently)
‘Any badly behaved children will be given a Red Bull and a puppy to take home’

I saw one last year that said 'any misbehaving children will be sold to the circus

I have never seen children careering around a restaurant here in the U.K.

Well, apparently they do according to reports!

Allira

^I'm sure the parents would be the first to complain if their little darlings got scalded, for instance.^

Yes, they would certainly think it was the fault of the waiting staff.

If they can't sit still at all, what will happen in school?

Of course children shouldn't be seen and not heard but not careering around and shouting at the tops of their voices when they're out in a restaurant.
There's a time and a place.

I have never seen children careering around a restaurant here in the U.K.

I have seen Russian children behaving abominably in Ski Resort restaurants whilst their parents drink wine and/or champagne out of bottles with long straws.

Exactly. And I understand - I have a GS who literally does not sit still. Even when he's watching something on TV, he is literally bouncing around the room from one chair to another. However, if you take him out for a meal, he does know he has to behave and not run around like a headless chicken - and if he were to do so, he'd know all about it and if necessary, be taken outside to avoid disturbing the other diners. It's all about having consideration for those around you. The world does not revolve solely around you and your little darling...

I'm sure the parents would be the first to complain if their little darlings got scalded, for instance.

Yes, they would certainly think it was the fault of the waiting staff.

If they can't sit still at all, what will happen in school?

Of course children shouldn't be seen and not heard but not careering around and shouting at the tops of their voices when they're out in a restaurant.
There's a time and a place.

Tuliptree

Just googled - he’s 63.

I bet he's got nice manners, perfectly toilet trained and sleeps all night.

My dog is the same.

butterandjam

AGAA4

Sit! Roll over! Beg! I don't think so Jan.

Our dog knows "Be quiet", " sit, stay" "come here" and is perfectly houstrained.

If only all children started school with that basic training, think what else they could be taught.

Sit and Stay might be a start on a restaurant!

shysal

Am I right in thinking that Jan hasn't had children? If so , that says it all!

Sure she has at least 1 DS?

AGAA4

Sit! Roll over! Beg! I don't think so Jan.

Our dog knows "Be quiet", " sit, stay" "come here" and is perfectly houstrained.

If only all children started school with that basic training, think what else they could be taught.

Maybe you've just been lucky, theworriedwell, but from the comments on here, some of us have certainly seen badly behaved children in eating places. It's not being prejudiced not to want children running about when waiting staff are carrying hot food and drinks, is it? I'm sure the parents would be the first to complain if their little darlings got scalded, for instance.

It is prejudice though isn't it, just like the woman who decided teenager with baby, one is obviously incompetent and one will be a screamer. She was wrong. I'd have been more receptive if she'd apologised rather than the gushing ,"isn't he an angel "

I can't think of when I've been bothered by a badly behaved child, last year a little boy with Downs Syndrome was a bit noisy but I started playing peekaboo with him and we both had fun, maybe we see what we expect to see?

We had numerous holidays in France when our children were young. One occasion, we'd just come off the beach, and they were quite sand covered. We went into one of the smart restaurants that lined the beach asking if we could be tucked out of the way into a corner. The maitre d, told us that he was happy to seat us anywhere, and he did, in a central part. Our children always behaved in restaurants so I wasn't worried about that aspect.