The King's Impending Trip To USA

love0c

Wyllow£ Remove your rose tinted glasses. See how our country really is. Pretending everything is ok is terribly naive.

Just not as naive as pretending it is terrible. It isn’t.

So many childish insults have been thrown our way by Trump I wish the king could tell him where to stick his state visit but if course he’ll go.

Casdon

love0c

Wyllow£ Remove your rose tinted glasses. See how our country really is. Pretending everything is ok is terribly naive.

Just not as naive as pretending it is terrible. It isn’t.

We’re in a bad state as a country and to believe otherwise is burying heads in the sand.

MartavTaurus

Macaydia

I dont think our King needs advice. He has a lifetime of public relations experience.

Indeed, and if anyone can smooth things over, Charles can.

Exactly.

Fallingstar

Luckygirl3

‘ What a pretty pass when Trump should be regarded as our biggest ally.’

Indeed. With an ally like this who needs enemies.

It’s the US that’s the ally of Europe, no matter who the current President is.

I would like to think so, as per historical links, but that most certianly remains to be seen as time goes on. Its most seriously under doubt now, but not to late for a future POTUS to re build.
But Trump has no desire or will to, and neither, in all the evidence we have, has Vance either.

Its brave - and destructive - new world stuff I fear.

And sad.

Wyllow3

I would like to think so, as per historical links, but that most certianly remains to be seen as time goes on. Its most seriously under doubt now, but not to late for a future POTUS to re build.
But Trump has no desire or will to, and neither, in all the evidence we have, has Vance either.

Its brave - and destructive - new world stuff I fear.

And sad.

I agree. Things have changed and I think it would be wise for the UK to invest more in defence and ally more closely with its European allies. Trump may have spoken a load of baloney about how the US feels about its ties with Europe inasmuch as the US wants Europe and the UK to paddle their own canoes - unless helping out with US illegal wars that is - but there is a grain of truth amid all the hogwash and though we might never see another Trump as president who knows which way US voters will go, most of whom are very insular in their thinking and don’t want to fund Europe or the UK, and presumably won’t want to fund Israel as much either.
I personally feel we can’t be sure of anything anymore.

Oreo

MartavTaurus

Macaydia

I dont think our King needs advice. He has a lifetime of public relations experience.

Indeed, and if anyone can smooth things over, Charles can.

Exactly.

What does this mean? How can Charles smooth things over? What things?

MAGA, Trump, The Middle East?

The rift between Starmer and Trump.

Oreo

Fallingstar

Luckygirl3

‘ What a pretty pass when Trump should be regarded as our biggest ally.’

Indeed. With an ally like this who needs enemies.

It’s the US that’s the ally of Europe, no matter who the current President is.

No. The only country that has Americas unwavering loyalty is Israel. No matter what they do.

Oreo

The rift between Starmer and Trump.

Exactly. You understood, Oreo.
The clue was in the post quoted : public relations
ie. maintaining positive communication, if not always on the same page
managing an on going relationship

JenniferEccles

Of course he should go. It would be an enormous snub were he to cancel.

It’s all about doing what is best for this country, and whatever one’s views are of Trump, as the US president, he represents our biggest ally.

Regarding the King’s health, well that’s between him and his doctors.

👏 👏

I think most would agree that Trump is in the habit of comparing himself with other world leaders and finding most of them wanting, including of course Starmer. It’s pretty obvious he has no respect whatsoever for him.

It’s often been said that our Monarch represents ‘soft power’ and that is their strength. Trump has a great deal of fondness for our Royal family (with a couple of notable exceptions) so Charles could achieve a great deal for us.

love0c

Most definitely he needs to visit! Undo some of the damage dangerous Starmer has done!

Really??? Starmer has done no damage, Trump’s damage is utterly immeasurable !

I think the King should go, it’s a Royal and diplomatic visit, I think cancelling it will make an awful situation much worse. He’s had a lifetime of such visits, he’ll go, play to Trumps enormous ego and he’ll come home.

Undo some of the damage dangerous Starmer has done!

I would find it most helpful if the damage Starmer has done in relation to Trump could be listed - thank you.

I’m not sure the King should, or would want to, ‘achieve a great deal for us’. It would be much more productive for him to steer away from anything political, block any attempts by Trump and co for him to get personally involved in any diplomatic efforts, and maintain a regal presence, sailing above the wind. With Trump I think that’s where the respect will lie.

I didn’t actually mean a political or financial deal, but I think it’s entirely possible that Charles may be able to mend relationships between our two countries.

Luckygirl3

*Undo some of the damage dangerous Starmer has done!*

I would find it most helpful if the damage Starmer has done in relation to Trump could be listed - thank you.

You may have a bit of a wait?

Also, none of us actually know if there is actually a rift, Trump talks utter baloney most of the time, and, quite rightly (imo) Starmer doesn’t discuss with members of the public what is and isn’t discussed between him and the POTUS.

He did state, when asked at his last press conference, that he is in contact very regularly with Trump and other world leaders.

Those who feel Starmer is wrong in his handling of Trump, what would you have done differently please?

JenniferEccles

I didn’t actually mean a political or financial deal, but I think it’s entirely possible that Charles may be able to mend relationships between our two countries.

Our King, just like his mother, will certainly not try and mend any relationship breakdown between UK and the USA (perceived or real). It’s a Royal visit, like any other, he’s not going to appease anyone, he’ll do his thing and he’ll come home.

It’ll stroke Trump’s considerable ego but then again most things do!

love0c

Most definitely he needs to visit! Undo some of the damage dangerous Starmer has done!

What damage would that be?

The PM’s handling of this situation has been exactly right.

JenniferEccles

I didn’t actually mean a political or financial deal, but I think it’s entirely possible that Charles may be able to mend relationships between our two countries.

Laughable.

sixandahalf

JenniferEccles

I didn’t actually mean a political or financial deal, but I think it’s entirely possible that Charles may be able to mend relationships between our two countries.

Laughable.

Trump may grovel and he'll probably be embarrassing and ask for King Charles to sort out Sir Keir Starmer and the UK Government.
He doesn't understand a Constitutional Monarchy and how it works.

The King isn’t going to touch on Trump’s relationship with Starmer and if Trump brings it up the King will be well versed on how to change the subject. No Monarch gets sucked into political matters so the conversation will probably be pleasantries and not much more, with a formal dinner after which the King and Queen will exit to get on with other things. Smoothing relations won’t be on the agenda am sure.

Laughable maybe, but also reparable.

Trump probably doesn't remember what he said last week, let alone 10 days ago, so Charles' visit for him will be an opportunity to soften the mood, steering clear of politics.

I don't think there has been a seismic rift between Starmer and Trump, but certainly feathers have been ruffled and noses put out of joint. The trouble is that the public's perception is often shaped by Trump's daft comments that suggest a fracturing of relations, because he shouts louder.

The general view from even those who don't like Starmer or agree with him is that on the whole he has done the best he can with a very difficult leader
I also agree with this to an extent, Wyllow3. At least there's not two of them making fools of themselves, but it has to be acknowledged that we need to remain close allies with the US, and accept there is a grain of truth in what Trump says about the UK.