A huge march against the Far Right

Am I the only one on this board who marched on Saturday?

I don’t know how many people were there either, ahead of me or behind me. I doubt anybody does.

Over a million people commute into London to work every day. Over 3 million journeys are made on the Tube every day.

Perhaps Network Rail, TfL and Victoria Coach station could help you out on how many more journeys were made compared to an average Saturday.

But why does it matter? That hundreds of organisations have joined Together Alliance and thousands marched together to make a stand again the far right is all anyone needs to know.

Hated and fear grow when good people do nothing.

Reports in from the USA claiming 8 million participants.

'Pointless ten pages' only in your still contributing opinion David?

DaisyAnneReturns

Meandrogrog

sixandahalf

Quite different then from the article in the Daily Mail I was reading. I am sure the woman who wrote the article was not lying!

You asked me to comment, which I did politely and with honesty. So please don't compare me to the Daily Mail. Thanks

Why are lefties so aggressive?

Only "lefties" Meandrogrog? Let's see what the analysis of the tone of each comment is.

Person 1 "Quite different then from the article in the Daily Mail I was reading. I am sure the woman who wrote the article was not lying!
Tone: Defensive, mildly sarcastic, and subtly confrontational

Person 2 "You asked me to comment, which I did politely and with honesty. So please don't compare me to the Daily Mail. Thanks"
Tone: Controlled but firm, slightly defensive, with restrained irritation

Person 3 "Why are lefties so aggressive?"
Tone: Generalizing, provocative, and dismissive. This kind of phrasing tends to inflame rather than resolve conflict.

I'm not sure those you choose to call "lefties" are the issue here.

I would expect no less from you DAR.

Comments can be made to seem very different from how they are intended.

Your post is a case in point of leftie aggression, I am sad to say.

Meandrogrog

sixandahalf

Quite different then from the article in the Daily Mail I was reading. I am sure the woman who wrote the article was not lying!

You asked me to comment, which I did politely and with honesty. So please don't compare me to the Daily Mail. Thanks

Why are lefties so aggressive?

Only "lefties" Meandrogrog? Let's see what the analysis of the tone of each comment is.

Person 1 "Quite different then from the article in the Daily Mail I was reading. I am sure the woman who wrote the article was not lying!
Tone: Defensive, mildly sarcastic, and subtly confrontational

Person 2 "You asked me to comment, which I did politely and with honesty. So please don't compare me to the Daily Mail. Thanks"
Tone: Controlled but firm, slightly defensive, with restrained irritation

Person 3 "Why are lefties so aggressive?"
Tone: Generalizing, provocative, and dismissive. This kind of phrasing tends to inflame rather than resolve conflict.

I'm not sure those you choose to call "lefties" are the issue here.

DaisyAnneReturns

^Quite different then from the article in the Daily Mail I was reading. I am sure the woman who wrote the article was not lying!^ Meandrogrog.

People really still believe the Daily Mail uncritically?

Ditto The Guardian!

sixandahalf

*Quite different then from the article in the Daily Mail I was reading. I am sure the woman who wrote the article was not lying!*

You asked me to comment, which I did politely and with honesty. So please don't compare me to the Daily Mail. Thanks

Why are lefties so aggressive?

Macaydia

Trump argues more about crowd size than content.

I really hope you are not insinuating that I am pro the current POTUS?

You couldn’t be further away from the truth if you tried…

Galaxy

Is david now far right? It is quite hard to keep up.

I just don't believe anything until it's confirmed, half a million is massive and obviously grossly exaggerate, unsurprisingly the Guardian printed it. Those who are far left probably would label me right wing, there are plenty of far left views on GN.

Trump argues more about crowd size than content.

DaisyAnneReturns

GrannyGravy13

I read the piece in the Guardian online, they reported that the organisers of the march were saying that the numbers were 500,000.

The police had said the numbers were closer to 50,000 but there is no exact way to estimate the attendees.

Is the Guardian an acceptable source?

Are disputing the Metropolitan Police’s numbers?

But why are you arguing about numbers GrannyGravy13? Have you nothing to say about what the march was for? Isn't this standard deflection?

I am not arguing about numbers DaisyAnneReturns

I was politely pointing out the difference of approximately 450,000 attendees from the OP and the police numbers.

As for the march, if it achieves anything hats off to those who attended.

As a casual observer, there were so many groups marching I think the message was lost and somewhat fuzzy on what it wanted to achieve.

GrannyGravy13

I read the piece in the Guardian online, they reported that the organisers of the march were saying that the numbers were 500,000.

The police had said the numbers were closer to 50,000 but there is no exact way to estimate the attendees.

Is the Guardian an acceptable source?

Are disputing the Metropolitan Police’s numbers?

But why are you arguing about numbers GrannyGravy13? Have you nothing to say about what the march was for? Isn't this standard deflection?

Oops sorry, The Guardian had printed the Police’s figures also.

I read the piece in the Guardian online, they reported that the organisers of the march were saying that the numbers were 500,000.

The police had said the numbers were closer to 50,000 but there is no exact way to estimate the attendees.

Is the Guardian an acceptable source?

Are disputing the Metropolitan Police’s numbers?

Quite different then from the article in the Daily Mail I was reading. I am sure the woman who wrote the article was not lying! Meandrogrog.

People really still believe the Daily Mail uncritically?

BlueBelle

*Where did Bluebell get the 500,000 number from??
Deliberately exaggerated, dreamed up, typo, AI fake news*

Oh I just plucked any old number out the air David I thought it was a nice rounded number don’t you ?
I read the write ups BBC, Guardian etc etc .of course if you bothered to read some links on here you d see it too.

The organisers say 500,000 the police say lower no one can count them so believe what you will They are all agreed it was one of the biggest marches to have happened

So no I didn’t dream it up, I didn’t use AI I used a link which at least two people posted on here which you could have read

But of course anything to downgrade it and make it not true if it doesn’t fit the Far Right agenda

Arguing about numbers has the whiff of no real argument from those opposing the views of the marchers.

Quite different then from the article in the Daily Mail I was reading. I am sure the woman who wrote the article was not lying!

You asked me to comment, which I did politely and with honesty. So please don't compare me to the Daily Mail. Thanks

Galaxy

Is david now far right? It is quite hard to keep up.

I have no idea Galaxy what Davids political stance is ,nor to I care, I am annoyed at him suggesting I made figures up when he couldn’t be bothered to check the links or even look it up for himself

And just to answer your last point why on earth are you posting on a pointless thread 🤣🤣🤣

Is david now far right? It is quite hard to keep up.

*Where did Bluebell get the 500,000 number from??
Deliberately exaggerated, dreamed up, typo, AI fake news*

Oh I just plucked any old number out the air David I thought it was a nice rounded number don’t you ?
I read the write ups BBC, Guardian etc etc .of course if you bothered to read some links on here you d see it too.

The organisers say 500,000 the police say lower no one can count them so believe what you will They are all agreed it was one of the biggest marches to have happened

So no I didn’t dream it up, I didn’t use AI I used a link which at least two people posted on here which you could have read

But of course anything to downgrade it and make it not true if it doesn’t fit the Far Right agenda

Maremia

Only one day and already ten pages.
A very popular Thread BlueBelle.

Where did Bluebell get the 500,000 number from??
Deliberately exaggerated, dreamed up, typo, AI fake news.

Pointless 10 pages.

Only one day and already ten pages.
A very popular Thread BlueBelle.

Doodledog

Cumbrianmale56

Meandrogrog

Cumbrianmale56

The problem is anyone who is concerned about immigration is automatically labelled as far Right or a bigot. Same as the whole trans thing: you criticise someone who is bioligically male for wanting to use a female toilet and you're branded a bigot. A lot of the people who go on about how diverse and inclusive they are tend to want to shut down any opinion they dislike.
Obviously 50,000 people want to ptotest in London peacefully about things that concern them that's fine, it's their choice. However, people who are worried about an asylum hotel next to them have an equal right to protest.

Well said. I wonder whether any of the posters on here who are so dismissive actually live near an asylum hotel?

There does need to be a meaningful debate about immigration. We do need a certain level of immigration as the NHS wouldn't function and many immigrants contribute well to this country. Also someone wanting to set up a business, bring in a spouse from overseas, or people like the Ukrainians from 4 years ago, should be allowed into the country. However, we can't keep allowing 700,000 a year into the country, BUT this has been reduced significantly in the last 2 years.
A sensible debate that avoids the right wing racist/middle class woke language that is bandied about is what is needed. No one would seriously want to deport people just because they don't like their skin colour, or think open borders are the best way to combat racism. There needs to be something in between these extremes.

I agree, Cumbrianmale, and have posted on here more than once about the disconnect between those with bad experiences of multiculturalism and those for whom it is a theory.

But where on Gransnet is the middle class/woke language you are talking about? And who on here 'automatically' labels anyone concerned about immigration as Far Right or a bigot?

I am not saying those things don't happen, but I think it is much more prevalent for people who are not fans of Farage et al to be sneered at and called 'woke', and I really don't think I've seen accusations of bigotry or Far Rightness on here. I don't read every thread so I know I may have missed something, but if you could point to at least a couple of examples that would be great, please.

What I should have said was terms like far Right/ woke are used on other forums when people get into a slanging match. On here, the debate is generally moderate and considerate, as you'd expect, but on other forums, the abuse ramps up. This is one reason I left X as I was sick of the toxic level of debate.
As I've said, we need a sensible approach to immigration and one which I think Keir is doing well on.

But we were talking about flags and what they represent, and I would prefer (however unlikely it is to happen) to have flags that showed what people thought and how they felt, rather than where they were born. Then if people want to march in support of, or to protest against something it is clear why they are there, and what they hope to achieve.

Anyone can claim or design a flag. We could wave many flags and do.

However, the flag which represents our country, ie the United Kingdom, is the Union flag.

No matter who tries to claim it, for whatever reason, it is the flag which represents our country, a tolerant Constitutional Democracy.