The Met never cease to amaze

Criminal carelessness; I believe ammunition was included.

Meriting shock-horror headlines.

AGAA4 my dad was seconded a number of times from Lancashire. He said the met was corrupt. This was in the sixties and seventies

I've ceased to be shocked by the Met after Sarah Everard. I almost expect the next trouble they cause.
Corruption in the Met has been known about in other police forces since I was a young woman so nothing new. It just gets worse.
It really needs to be split up into smaller areas.

MaizieD

^It is shocking- no one with any sense of social responsibility wouldn't be shocked at yet more evidence that the met are corrupt.^

Corrupt or worryingly incompetent?

I suspect both.

Sarcasm of the humorous kind used by Allira is a necessary part of an incident like this.
It doesn’t diminish the significance, or minimise the dangers involved.

I don’t know about lessons learned or disciplinary action, might be P45’s and no pension

keepingquiet

Allira

Of course it's not shocking. I'm sure it happens frequently. 🤔 We mustn't sensationalise the fact that a sub-machine gun, a Glock pistol, taser plus ammunition was left lying around for anyone to pick up. It's those newspapers, innit, making something out of nothing.
🤔

It is shocking- no one with any sense of social responsibilty wouldn't be shocked at yet more evidence that the met are corrupt.

No need for sarcasm.

I think the debacle is ripe for sarcasm.
We are renowned all over the world for our sarcasm.

Wyllow3

Initially, the Sun and the Telegraph.

Later confirmed in less dramatic terms, it was apparently for 7 minutes before a member of the public found it, investigation underway etc etc 5 police suspended while investigated.

Here is the BBC with a reasonable report of the facts

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjd8y33ze08o

obvs serious and never to have happened, appalling errorbut not as far as I'm concerned meriting the kind of shock horror headlines until we actually know more details.

You misread. When police received a call from a man reporting a bag of guns he'd found on the street, they attended in 7 minutes.

No indication how long it had been left in the street, nor how long the finder had it before he decided to call the police.

He said it was very heavy. So heavy he thought it might be coins. He took it home and up to his bedroom where he opened it .

If I found a very heavy bag lying in the street, I'd take a look inside, before taking it home and up to my bedroom.

The report I read said that the revolver was fitted with 10 rounds. I don't know whether this meant it was capable of having 10 rounds or was actually loaded. I find it shocking that this has happened and think that it was obviously incompetence rather than anything else. Whatever happened to the discipline and competence within the police force? I know when I have had to make a statement to them for me to sign, I have been flabbergasted by the way they have worded what I said. On one of them I had to make a stand and refuse to sign it if they didn't change it. I shouldn't have bothered because even with video evidence it didn't get to court but I was worried that any decent defence lawyer would tear apart an inaccurate statement. The police seemed less worried!

AGAA4

Were they deliberately left? Or a mistake. Appalling either way but I'd prefer some more facts before judging.

I think it is bad enough THAT they were left- whether incompetence (likely) or deliberately (surely not?) is almost immaterial.
Talk about The Thin Blue Line- you couldn’t make it up.
I don’t know which scares me most- institutional misogyny, institutional racism or institutional incompetence .
But we seem to find all three all too often.

keepingquiet

Where is the source for this?

BBC TV news this morning, in which they included a statement from the Met which confirmed where its officers left a bag of weapons .

I expect. "Lessons will be learned". Although I would have thought dont leave firearms lying around would be top of their Not To Do list.
Cressida Dick must be relieved this didn't happen on her watch.

Galaxy

Oh come on we have all done it. I left my guns in Tesco the other day. I had such a giggle with the security when I went back to retrieve them.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I read this story, it was completely irresponsible.

Hope people are disciplined and a lot more careful moving forward

It is shocking- no one with any sense of social responsibility wouldn't be shocked at yet more evidence that the met are corrupt.

Corrupt or worryingly incompetent?

Were they deliberately left? Or a mistake. Appalling either way but I'd prefer some more facts before judging.

Why?

Allira

Of course it's not shocking. I'm sure it happens frequently. 🤔 We mustn't sensationalise the fact that a sub-machine gun, a Glock pistol, taser plus ammunition was left lying around for anyone to pick up. It's those newspapers, innit, making something out of nothing.
🤔

It is shocking- no one with any sense of social responsibilty wouldn't be shocked at yet more evidence that the met are corrupt.

No need for sarcasm.

Galaxy 😁

Oh come on we have all done it. I left my guns in Tesco the other day. I had such a giggle with the security when I went back to retrieve them.

Of course it's not shocking. I'm sure it happens frequently. 🤔 We mustn't sensationalise the fact that a sub-machine gun, a Glock pistol, taser plus ammunition was left lying around for anyone to pick up. It's those newspapers, innit, making something out of nothing.
🤔

I don't think it is being downplayed. The report was clear that any danger posed is now over. Yes, I have re-read OP and she said it was on the pavement outside Khan's house- directly outside or nearby?
The policemen responsible are being investigated and I suspect maybe some, all or none will be charged and we will find out.

What inference are we to derive from this? That the met have some reckless and downright dangerous police officers?

All the rest is inflammatory speculation.

keepingquiet

With the fullest of details as possible. OP didn't say four Met policemen had been suspended and merely said the bag had been found at Khan's house.

Well, it was obviously in place where a member of the public found it, not inside the house.

Why downplay it, I wonder?

With the fullest of details as possible. OP didn't say four Met policemen had been suspended and merely said the bag had been found at Khan's house.

Allira

^Here is the BBC with a reasonable report of the facts^

No, the BBC has reported what the Metropolitan Police said about the incident and they are obviously trying to downplay it.
The report then goes on to say what the member of the public said who found the cache of weapons, which was that the attending officers were really shocked.

There should be no downplaying of this incident, it is extremely serious.

Agree with this. It should not be downplayed and is extremely serious. How should it have been reported then?

Here is the BBC with a reasonable report of the facts

No, the BBC has reported what the Metropolitan Police said about the incident and they are obviously trying to downplay it.
The report then goes on to say what the member of the public said who found the cache of weapons, which was that the attending officers were really shocked.

There should be no downplaying of this incident, it is extremely serious.