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Applegran Fri 28-Aug-26 18:20:26

I recently found out about the Karpman Drama Triangle - a set of behaviours or roles i recognise in my life - i've been in all the roles at different times. i am seeing that this Drama Triangle offers a way to understand and break away from a pattern which just leads to unhappiness.

See what you think:

The Karpman Drama Triangle
The Drama Triangle describes a pattern we can all get into in difficult relationships. There are three roles, and we can move from one to another surprisingly quickly.
The Victim
Feels hard done by, powerless or picked on. There can be a “Why does everything always happen to me?” attitude. They may be passive-aggressive rather than openly saying what they want or need.
The Rescuer
Jumps in to help, fix or do things for someone that they could — and perhaps should — do for themselves. They may then feel hurt, resentful or angry when their help isn’t wanted or appreciated.
The Persecutor
Blames, criticizes, attacks, intimidates or puts someone down. They can be genuinely nasty — making the other person feel small, guilty or at fault.
And the interesting bit is that we don’t necessarily stay in one role. Someone can start as the Rescuer, become the Victim when their help isn’t appreciated, and then turn into the Persecutor: “After everything I’ve done for you…”
A simple example
A mother keeps doing things for her adult daughter — making appointments, sorting out problems, giving advice, even when the daughter hasn’t asked her to.
The mother is the Rescuer: “I’m only trying to help.”
The daughter gets fed up and says, “Mum, I can manage my own life.”
The mother then feels hurt and becomes the Victim: “Fine. Nobody appreciates anything I do. Everything I do is wrong.”
She may then become the Persecutor: “You’re so ungrateful. After everything I’ve done for you…”
And the daughter may then become the Victim herself.
That’s the triangle — people switching roles and pulling each other into the drama.
How do you get out of it?
The way out is to stop playing the role you’ve slipped into: take responsibility for your own feelings and choices, let other people take responsibility for theirs, and say what you actually need without blaming or rescuing. We can help other people – but check that they actually want our help first.
None of this is to say we do not have painful things in our lives - life can bring really painful events to us. It is just about the way we relate to our challenges.
I have found this helpful. Maybe others will too.

greyfur16 Sat 29-Aug-26 17:32:06

I'm not sure what psycho speak is.

The Karpman Triangle is a much respected model of human behaviour and is often used as part of the Transactional Analysis school of thought.

MawsRosie Sat 29-Aug-26 17:17:12

M0nica

I do not want to be dismissive, but isn't this just a description of everyday lives? Do not most of us go through every role listed here on a daily basis, from most minor of incidents to major, in the slightest way to the most serious. It is called being human.

And without the capital letters and couching it in psycho speak?

kittylester Sat 29-Aug-26 17:11:11

I completely agree Monica.

M0nica Sat 29-Aug-26 17:08:17

I do not want to be dismissive, but isn't this just a description of everyday lives? Do not most of us go through every role listed here on a daily basis, from most minor of incidents to major, in the slightest way to the most serious. It is called being human.

NotSpaghetti Sat 29-Aug-26 11:49:45

Maybe I should be asking that on the forums?
🤔

NotSpaghetti Sat 29-Aug-26 11:48:26

Thanks for coming back Maremia your comments seemed rather simplistic to me.

I think if people come to a forum asking what to do inevitably someone will have suggestions. It doesn't make the one with the problem a victim and I take issue with the circularity of the Victim Rescuer Perpetrator theory on a forum.

Applegran obviously sees this play out in real life somehow - l but I know from my own experience that even natural "fixers" (like me) can see when someone isn't interested.
It doesn't make us Victims -or Perpetrators.

It does make me ask "do you want a solution or are you just wanting to let off steam?" when my middle daughter is in a quandary.
Sometimes it's one thing and sometimes the other - often it's both!

Maremia Sat 29-Aug-26 11:17:24

Apologies if I have inadvertently offended, lovethepuppies.
Posters who come on for advice are not 'Victims' as such.
I was looking at the structure of the theory.
And I do see that version of 'events' in some of the Threads.

lovethepuppies Sat 29-Aug-26 10:30:58

Threads on any site are one sided and we can only go by what we are told. By default, most threads will reflect someone who feels they have been wronged, or that see a situation from a particular angle. I think there's a difference between presenting a scenario as the 'victim' or wronged one vs. having a general victim mentality in life.

Smileless2012 Sat 29-Aug-26 08:25:59

Yes it does Maremia.

Maremia Sat 29-Aug-26 06:07:25

What can I say?
My first thought.This describes some GN Threads, doesn't it?
The Victim...the OP
The Rescuer...a GN with a 'solution'.
The subsequent spat over advice given.

lovethepuppies Sat 29-Aug-26 05:11:07

I have seen this, in fact, it describes my mother perfectly. She decides what other people need and what will be helpful, and does it. If the person didn't want her to do it (she can be very pushy about it and steamroll people), she gets upset if they don't appreciate it they way she thinks they should and is a victim. I just won't enter into it and let her have her feelings.

We've had conversations like, "I know we agreed I wasn't going to send that but I just had to." When you explain to her that was about her needs, not ours and we didn't want it and had agreed on it, she's the victim.

When I asked her not to do a particular chore in my home she protests she just wants to be helpful. I had to tell her it's not help if it's not wanted.

It might sound harsh but I've learned over the years my mother only hears completely direct statements. Trying to say things gently or hint at things just doesn't register.

nanna8 Sat 29-Aug-26 02:04:28

I have enough of it with a couple of psychologists in the family ! Both as nutty as fruitcakes.

NotSpaghetti Sat 29-Aug-26 01:48:26

Are labels helpful?
I know I'm someone who likes to fix things. I can find solutions and puzzle things out so I just know that sometimes I just have to sit on my hands.
Not everyone wants help.
I don't need a label to see what I'm prone to doing.

Retread Fri 28-Aug-26 22:12:10

Crocus5

What is TLDR

It's a forum abbreviation for "Too long, didn't read".

Retread Fri 28-Aug-26 22:10:53

MawsRosie the TLDR made me smile. Do we need to record it if we don't read a thread? Should there also be a SSDR (Short So Did Read) abbreviation?

On a more serious note, my daughter told me about a theory (I assume it was this one) and said that I rescue my son. She was right! He was going through a tough time and I had slipped into that role - too easy! I stepped back, and did him - and myself - a favour. So I didn't assume a victim role, because I took on board her advice.

Crocus5 Fri 28-Aug-26 22:03:58

What is TLDR

greyfur16 Fri 28-Aug-26 19:56:17

People seem to be getting more and more rude these days. Snippy.

It's an interesting idea. Oh how I love to rescue, its familiar to me from childhood.

TillyTrotter Fri 28-Aug-26 19:46:10

Wishing you a future where you feel at ease with all your roles Applegran - life is not always straightforward is it?

Applegran Fri 28-Aug-26 19:32:53

Thank you Cossy. When I saw it I realise now that I resisted it - did not want to see myself going round that triangle. But it feels quite liberating now i do see i have played all those roles at different times. I will at least now try to pay more attention and stop myself falling into those roles when I notice it happening.

MawsRosie Fri 28-Aug-26 19:31:30

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Allsorts Fri 28-Aug-26 19:22:28

Life is all about change and adapting, I do think most are either glass half full or glass half empty son it colours everything you do.

Cossy Fri 28-Aug-26 19:16:48

Actually, I can identify with this and think it’s a fairly easy pattern to slip into and probably very difficult, but not impossible to break or change.

Very interesting thanks

Fallingstar Fri 28-Aug-26 19:15:09

It all sounds familiar but then real life is far more nuanced and messy.
I don’t think is possible to break it all down but am not it dismissing those who would find this helpful.

crazyH Fri 28-Aug-26 19:09:19

There’s a name for it now? I have been at all points of the triangle, at different times.. I think most of us have and have managed to survive.

petra Fri 28-Aug-26 19:03:18

He seems to have spent a lot of time describing life.
His theory sounds typical of someone living in San Francisco in 1968.