The Left is conspiring with extremists in the disappearance of British women.

I can’t read it - can you summarise or cut and paste, please?

You just need to accept cookies Doodledog then you can read it.
It’s an illuminating piece about Stella Creasey MP gushing about how wonderful a Muslim celebration was but women had to be covered up and how the Shipley MP was asked to attend a talk where the Muslim women could only listen to it hidden behind a partition.
It reminded the Pakistani reporter of her childhood where the sexes were always segregated for public events and celebrations.
She further notes a smiling Archbishop of Canterbury stood next to an un-named totally covered up woman who happened to be the wife of the undeserving Muslim cleric she was giving a medal to.
By kow-towing to outdated cultural practices British Labour MP’s and Left wing Clerics are harming women as they are accepting as normal this ‘disappearing’ of women.

I have read the article but fail to see what can be done.
Treatment of women in this way would not happen in the Western world.
However, other cultures have treated women in the way the article describes for millennia. We can hardly go barging into other countries and demand equality for women. We got dragged into the Afghan war and look at the woeful conditions women are living with now that the Taliban are back in control. We likely made matters a damn sight worse.
What are you suggesting should happen?

We don’t need to worry about other countries….just how women are treated here
I suppose education and the banning of certain clothing would be a start, which France has done.
Not allowing participation of women at a public talk is frankly wrong.
Frowning at this kind of thing rather than gushing about the joys of it would also help.
Eventually it will be stamped out by Muslims themselves but only if this kind of behaviour is considered offensive by the rest of the country, leaders, MP’s and so on.

Sarnia treatment of women in this way is happening in the Western world, it’s happening here in the UK.
You can’t really have read the article properly.

Oreo

We don’t need to worry about other countries….just how women are treated here
I suppose education and the banning of certain clothing would be a start, which France has done.
Not allowing participation of women at a public talk is frankly wrong.
Frowning at this kind of thing rather than gushing about the joys of it would also help.
Eventually it will be stamped out by Muslims themselves but only if this kind of behaviour is considered offensive by the rest of the country, leaders, MP’s and so on.

Not feeling brilliant this morning, just to say I agree totally. 👍

Chestnut 💐 hope you feel better soon.

I managed to read it on the laptop.

Whilst I would not want to live like that, I wouldn't like to live under the rules of any other religion I can think of either - not the more orthodox versions anyway, and we are talking about a fairly extreme version of Islam in the article. But if others do, it's not for us to try, missionary-like, to force them to change their ways.

What we could do is make it easier for people to opt out if they want to, but even that is difficult. Social approval/ostracisation is the way most cultural norms are imposed. It's impossible to legislate for that, and what happens indoors (eg domestic violence against women and children) is very difficult to control, too. There are still people who believe that hitting children 'doesn't do them any harm' for instance.

Do the women want to live like that in this country or are they controlled and coerced?

Does the banning of face coverings work well in other European countries?

Oreo,,too true

JenniRen

Do the women want to live like that in this country or are they controlled and coerced?

Does the banning of face coverings work well in other European countries?

You'd have to ask them. My guess is that like people from all groups, some will see it as the right thing to do, and others will dislike it. Just as some western women put up with men who won't do housework or disapprove of women working, and others wouldn't put up with either attitude.

Either way, I can't see a left wing conspiracy afoot.

Perhaps we should concentrate on vicars and priest who abuse children in our own churches !! Now there’s a thought

BlueBelle

Perhaps we should concentrate on vicars and priest who abuse children in our own churches !! Now there’s a thought

BlueBelle
I don’t know if you caught it on the news this morning but the Pope is on the case. Yeh, and pigs might fly.

No I didn’t, but guess I m a tad sceptical like you Petra

What are the plans for women in the USA, if the Turning Point 'Christians' get more control?
Sounds very backward and repressive to me.

Oreo

We don’t need to worry about other countries….just how women are treated here
I suppose education and the banning of certain clothing would be a start, which France has done.
Not allowing participation of women at a public talk is frankly wrong.
Frowning at this kind of thing rather than gushing about the joys of it would also help.
Eventually it will be stamped out by Muslims themselves but only if this kind of behaviour is considered offensive by the rest of the country, leaders, MP’s and so on.

I think Italy are doing the same.

By kow-towing to outdated cultural practices British Labour MP’s and Left wing Clerics are harming women as they are accepting as normal this ‘disappearing’ of women

I read the article, Oreo, and I absolutely agree with your comment.
It is difficult to prevent women being treated as second class in their homes, but demands for different treatment according to religion should be strongly resisted in public places, eg: insistence on repressive clothing and segregation of boys and girls in PE in Primary school, insistence on separate spaces for prayer, and segregation in public occasions such as the ones mentioned in the article.

In my opinion many women from cultures that insist upon women being covered are themselves challenging this as we saw with the protests a few years ago in Iran. I don’t think for a moment that they are all going along with this. But is nothing to do with religion and everything to do with patriarchal constructs. Men have tried to control women for thousands of years and how better to appeal to the masses of women than via God.
But I think making life even more difficult for young women brought up with these constraints will not work. Already second and third generation women who when their families first arrived would have been compelled to cover up are now no longer doing this as much. And strong women’s groups made up of their own number, helping young girls escape forced marriages etc., are now accessible in the UK, which is what we need more of, rather than trying to browbeat girls and women into submission, which is what they are already having to contend with.
As for ‘the left’ not sure where that fits in.

The Left is conspiring with extremists in the disappearance of British women.

I do think this is a ridiculous statement to be honest!

Absolutely agree Not Spaghetti.
Meanwhile in the good old US of A, how is it going for women's rights and freedoms?

Maremia

What are the plans for women in the USA, if the Turning Point 'Christians' get more control?
Sounds very backward and repressive to me.

What is?

BlueBelle

Perhaps we should concentrate on vicars and priest who abuse children in our own churches !! Now there’s a thought

I agree with that bluebell

BlueBelle

Perhaps we should concentrate on vicars and priest who abuse children in our own churches !! Now there’s a thought

What about the teachers, social workers, judges, police, doctors, care workers etc etc who also abuse children? Are you concerned about abuse happening in Temples, Mosques, Synagogues?