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Santa or Father Christmas?!

(94 Posts)
Twostep Thu 30-Nov-17 15:49:57

I can't remember ever using the name Santa when my lot were little, only Father Christmas, yet I seem to hear my DGC raving about Santa every other day! Where did this come from (I suspect it's an import from across the Pond) and when did it overtake Father Christmas in popularity?

Which of the two do your DGC use?

mcem Fri 01-Dec-17 08:09:40

As I child I did wonder if Father Christmas only delivered south of the border since it was always Santa Claus who worked the Scottish circuit! (Or in the vernacular Santy Claas! )
Definitely sounds more Scandinavian/Teutonic.

rascal Fri 01-Dec-17 08:00:32

We always said Santa Clause but now it seems to be Santa. Never Father Christmas. tchsmile

WilmaKnickersfit Fri 01-Dec-17 00:13:02

Jalima I've had a bad day and it's showing tonight! tchgrin

Except it's now yesterday!

Jayh Thu 30-Nov-17 23:35:07

You are describing my childhood Christmas visit to Lewis’s in Glasgow, Pat. I went to see Santa Claus, of course. ??

Jalima1108 Thu 30-Nov-17 23:10:47

Perhaps we stood in the queue together pensionpat

pensionpat Thu 30-Nov-17 23:08:51

Granny Activist. When a child, the place to see Father Christmas (and Uncle Holly) was Lewis's in Birmingham. The grotto was on the 6th floor and the queue snaked down the stairs and around the building. It was the same for my eldest son, but not for his brother, 7 years younger.

Jalima1108 Thu 30-Nov-17 23:05:28

Whoosh indeed Wilma grin
although I think that was Father Christmas/Santa Claus trying to see how fast he can whoosh around on Christmas Eve - just a practice run!

St Nicholas has his red outfit on here with a touch of green:

ElaineI Thu 30-Nov-17 22:59:32

Santa Claus always in Scotland - always red coat and trousers didn't have coca cola when I was a child so how could that be. In fact I only remember the coke adverts from when my children were in their 20s now eldest 32.

lemongrove Thu 30-Nov-17 22:45:21

Ah! Thanks for explanation, whoosh, I like it.tchgrin

WilmaKnickersfit Thu 30-Nov-17 22:35:02

Queen of the Numpties strikes again! I've just spotted the name of the poster before you. See what I mean? blush grin

WilmaKnickersfit Thu 30-Nov-17 22:33:28

Are you swearing? grin

Whoosh! means something going straight over your head! You see it a lot online when someone hasn't spotted a joke or taken sarcasm as a serious point. I try to avoid it, but I am but human and Queen of the Numpties! grin

I've seen Santa Claus in a green suit too in old pictures, again often Victorian. It's probably all down to Prince Albert introducing some of his country's traditions. I think he had something to do with the introduction of Valentine cards too.

lemongrove Thu 30-Nov-17 22:14:40

baubles ! ?

baubles Thu 30-Nov-17 22:13:36

Never anything but Santa Claus in my Irish then Scottish childhood. Father Christmas existed only in books, he wasn’t real.

grannyactivist Thu 30-Nov-17 22:12:24

When my nana used to take us to the Christmas grotto in Lewis's (yes, the apostrophe is in the correct place) in Manchester we only ever visited Father Christmas, never Santa Claus. He came to my notice later when he used to get stuck up the chimney. grin

lemongrove Thu 30-Nov-17 21:59:28

Woosh? What meanest thou?

The red suit was def from Coca-Cola ads but obviously red pre dates that, although I have seen several medieval pics of Father Christmas dressed in green robes witha holly wreath on his head, as a crown.
I think Father Christmas is an English and probably pagan
Creation, whereas Saint Nik is a later Christian version.
HO HO HO tchsmile
They are both wonderful and I def believe in them.

WilmaKnickersfit Thu 30-Nov-17 21:47:59

This is a Victorian Christmas card, so the red suit predates Coke.

WilmaKnickersfit Thu 30-Nov-17 21:41:39

lemongrove oops! Whoosh! blush grin

Bathsheba Thu 30-Nov-17 20:52:32

Although, perhaps not.....

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7152054.stm

Bathsheba Thu 30-Nov-17 20:49:36

Yes, lemon, I think you're right about Coca-Cola introducing the red and white Santa Claus. In Scandinavia I believe St Nicholas is dressed in blue - probably a bit more fitting for the extremes of temperature there tchshock

paddyann Thu 30-Nov-17 20:30:01

definately Santa Claus from the dutch ,,always been Santa Claus in Scotland as far as I'm aware .I've never heard him called father Christmas here

lemongrove Thu 30-Nov-17 20:21:02

I think jalima was being satirical.grin

lemongrove Thu 30-Nov-17 20:19:58

Father Christmas used to be depicted standing near a wood, and wearing green robes,Santa Claus wearing red and white
was I think, a late 19th century idea by the makers of Coca-Cola.

WilmaKnickersfit Thu 30-Nov-17 20:18:52

I don't think so because Santa Claus comes from the Dutch for St Nicholas - plus the film wasn't made that long ago! grin

Jalima1108 Thu 30-Nov-17 20:16:23

'Santa Claus The Movie'

Everything originated in Hollywood

lemongrove Thu 30-Nov-17 20:14:34

It was always Father Christmas [as a child] I think that is the English version, and Father Christmas with our own DC, but have noticed the DGC saying Santa.Probably from the US and all the films on tv.