Do you really like the song?

I think it’s the same for me Baggs in the voice/voices/ melody is the most important thing in a song, and lyrics come last.

Baggs goes to look up the Noddy Holder Xmas song......
another she'd never heard of.

NotSpag, I think 'confrontational' questions on GN are fine. One can always ignore them if one finds them bothersome.

No, it doesn’t bother me at all growstuff that posters say they like this music. I was just joining in the thread with my thoughts is all.
I don’t see it as narrow minded Kittylester to not like punk or heavy metal or any other genre that having heard it, a person can then dislike it.It would be narrow minded to dismiss any music or film from it’s vintage of course.
The Pogues are my era but having heard FONY when it first came out I disliked it.I also disliked the awful Noddy Holder Christmas song.😁

The most important part of any song, for me, is the lyrics.
This made me think, kitty, and for me lyrics are not the most important part of a song, but maybe that's because my preference is for Baroque and early music that's often sung in Latin. So for me, songs are more about melody and beautiful singing. I tend to look up the lyrics of sones I know well so that I can sing along (badly and only on my own!) but the the instrumental music is more important for me.

The instrumental music of the song this thread is about is good. But MacGowan's voise spoils it for me.

It strikes me as quite narrow minded to discount music because of it's vintage and /or genre.

The most important part of any song, for me, is the lyrics. My husband rarely let's lyrics trouble him and his favourite type of music is jazz fusion.

I love 'the song', I haven't been brainwashed. Nor do I only listen to music from my youth. One of my current favourites is James May.

I think it would be hard to define this as "punk"... but this thread wasn't about the genre it was just asking who liked it? - Surely we shouldn't be able to "argue" about that as it's a personal response to an artistic endeavour. Some say they like it but some don't and some don't care either way.

However the question was quite confrontational polomint,
Do you really like it or just ordered to like it?

I wish I hadn't got caught up in the discussion now about being "ordered".

Like growstuff I see this as a deeply moving and powerful love story despite our faults and failings. Yes, there's an argument and a bit of blaming and misunderstanding going on too but love inspite of everything.

You took my dreams from me
When I first found you

I kept them with me babe
I put them with my own
Can't make it all alone
I've built my dreams around you

Many of us build our dreams alongside those of the person we love. I know that my husband and I have over the years... I consider myself very lucky that we still have each other - and something in this song celebrates that. The small triumphs of our love and everyday survival shines through to me in this ballad. It will forever be close to my heart.

Isn't love (without conditions) the message of Christmas?

We can't make it all alone.

I listen to guns n Rose's and country music. The country music is my dads fault

PS. I still listen to some music I liked in my teens. Why shouldn't I?

Oreo It seems to bother you that some people like the song and I don't really understand why. They have different tastes from you, that's all.

But you grew out of it Pittcity I bet. I’m at the younger end of posters on GN but don’t listen to music I used to like when a teenager.
Tbh it doesn’t matter to me if posters still like this music, just think it’s an awful song with awful voices and weird lyrics for a Christmas song.Am not alone in that it seems.

Am surprised to see many older women liking punk rock

Many of my contemporaries were punks. I preferred heavy metal.

I love it and have since it first came out. I also loved Kirsty McColl’s music. They were both hugely talented.

That’s not what I think of as punk. I think more of I am the antichrist, Johnny Rotten and that sort of thing.

Am surprised to see many older women liking punk rock ( or claiming to)😄

I’d be surprised if many didn’t. Punk started in the late 70s - long before ‘younger people’ were born. It was popular in my youth, along with glam, prog rock, pop, folk and other genres. In any case, the notion of only liking the music of one generation has been obsolete for decades. These days it’s very mix and match, in my experience - it must be very stifling to confine yourself to a narrow range of musical styles, and pretending to like something is just strange - why would anyone do that?

I don’t know that The Pogues were punk either - they pretty much defied genre, never mind generation. We have several of their albums, my children listen to them, and my father used to tap his feet too (my mum didn’t like the swearing).

I love the song. I don't really understand why it matters who else likes it or not.

I like some Irish music, but that's not why I like the song. It's set against the absolute mess which life and humans can be, but it's also a romantic tale of two people who still love each other despite everything.

That's my reason. I expect other people have many other reasons. That's why music is so magical.

PS. Happy Christmas everyone!

I think its very odd to only listen to 50's or 60's music...but thats THEIR choice.We all have different taste I love Irish music except Daniel ODonnell .I appreciate he has a huge fan base but he's just not for me .
The music you listen to is your business .no CR for me either might be a generation thing

Herd mentality? Pretend? No. Absolutely loved this song long before I had heard of GN. Love his gravelly voice. Love the lyrics. Just love the whole thing. Nobody told me too.
I don't understand why some posters are saying these odd things.

Oreo I don’t think of The Pogues songs in any way as “punk”. They’re all beautifully crafted, both lyrics and music. You might not like the sound of the actual voices but if you Google just the words, you’ll hopefully have a better appreciation of their output.
Also, The Pogues have been around since the early 1980s, so we weren’t “older” women back then. Don’t you still enjoy the music that you liked when you were younger?

I don't really understand why you would care if people agreed with you or not. Surely you like what you like. I like pasta if everyone around me said I dont like pasta it would have no influence on my liking of pasta. Music in particular is completely personal.

Well well, fairytale definitely is popular among the gransnetters. I stick to my guns though, I don't like it. Glad a few of you agree with me as I was beginning to think I was the only one who thought it was awful. I don't know the story of the person who died

Oreo - so many of us have talked about always enjoying/loving Fairytale. I’m one of them, absolutely nothing on here influenced me. I love Fairytale. I love Irish music and I really enjoyed the performance of Fairytale at Shane’s funeral.

I loathe Cliff, always have, that’s not here mentality either. You loathe Fairytale, fair enough

There are other horrific incidents in his early life which would have led anyone to have issues. He was deeply troubled from a young age.

Oreo read about his childhood in daily mail,Guardian and wikipedia so may be wrong or right. Not 2 pints,it was 2 bottles of Guinness a day. Is a bottle a pint ? Guardian news website also says he was given whiskey as a child.Definitely not a good start for his mental health

It doesn’t matter when the song was released really, and there really is such a thing as forum herd mentality just as there is herd mentality in life, think about the late Princess of Wales.
Of course the Pogues had their fans.It’s also a fact that when someone even vaguely famous dies ,people say how marvellous they were.