Outdoor exercise ban?

Bluebelle the same is happening in France according to some young French people working overseas, who are in touch with their families.

I read that in a Italy people were going to the supermarket every day just to get out the house I don’t think the other countries are any different to us although they are held up as shining examples Sweden still has no lockdown at all
My son in NZ is on similar lockdown to us but they go out for family bike rides every day

*My youngest DD has a tiny garden but her house backs on to fields. She has a very very active 2 year old (besides a 1 year old and a 9 year old!) if the 2 year old is not taken out for some sort of intense exercise at least once a day he is a nightmare! The garden is not big enough to meet his needs and so the daily kick a ball about in the field is a must!
DD 2 and DGD live in a 2 bed flat by the beach with no out door space so her exercise is a walk on the beach every day; it can’t be avoided that it’s the beach and it annoys me that other selfish people drive there to take their exercise and walk dogs risking all of it becoming out of bounds!*

Your daughters right to the beach is no more important or secure than anybody else’s right to use the beach for the same reason. If anything, the people using the beach are doing the exact same thing as your first daughter is doing.

My elderly neighbour has an allotment he can walk to. He has stopped though. He really only goes out to the supermarket now.

Belinda you say your garden is too small for your dogs to use as a toilet, and yet you take them out to go— where?

I live in a two bedroom apartment with a balcony. Opposite are tower blocks, where young families live. I am fortunate to have any outdoor space, and because I live alone I do not feel crowded. I have enjoyed seeing families walking in the park, children on bikes and scooters, and older people keeping their distance from one another. I am grateful the Birmingham Parks Department are keeping our park open, and beautifully maintained. I know Victoria Park in London, it is huge, and it is a great pity that, rather than policing use, the park was closed. It is in one of the most deprived and densely populated parts of London. Closing parks means that people are using streets and canal towpaths instead, where it is more difficult to distance. Dr Jenny Harries recommended that even over 70s should get some form of outside exercise each day, unless they were in the “cocoon” group. Not everyone has access to a garden, a beach or a country lane.

3nanny6 I’m so glad you said that because I was when I read it. I take it your daughter lives with you or lives within walking distance Belinda? Furthermore, driving to the allotment is not classed as an essential journey. We’re all having to deal with difficult challenges sadly

BelindaB; Okay I get the fact you love the dogs. I am a dog owner and have two myself. One of my dogs is partially blind but still has a walk and enjoys it she is very fast because she knows her route by everyday experience and smell. The other dog likes to take her time on walks. Normally I am in and out during the day and walk them separately but because of the rules I am doing the one walk a day and it is difficult with one so fast and the other one slower. There should not be one rule for one and one rule for someone else. I too have been told by my hospital specialist that I should have a lot of walking but at the moment I am no exception to the rule.

I have 3 dogs and take them out 4 times per day. My daughter and I manage this between us. It would not be possible to reduce them to one walk per day as one of them is very old and would not be able to hold himself. My garden is minute and it would be extremely unhygenic to allow them to use it as a toilet.

I take them out at 7am - never see anyone else. My daughter does the noon walk, which is thier exercise walk and she tries to take them to somewhere there are not many people. I do a quick toilet walk at 6 and she does the last walk at bedtime. It is exercise for both us and the dogs. Although we live in London it is a quiet area and up to now, there has been no real problem.

The only other time I go out is to my allotment. Then it is staight out of the door and into the car, and when I get there, straight out of the car park and onto the allotment. I have always been very anti-social when I go there so nobody even tries to get close to me!

I do need the exercise, otherwise my arthritus would make life unbearable.

To add to my comment re number of people living in apartments in Italy and Spain, these are the 2015 statistics provided by a population survey.

Italy. 52%
Spain. 66%
UK. 18%

So my comment was valid

A lot of the ones breaking the rules are young people, several have been warned locally all gatheed on a country path with bikes, all very close together
Also friends visiting each others flats/houses having parties
Just ridiculous
My son had a lot of noise going on in a flat beneath him,seems like druggies and there were about 12 lads in there making a racket
The flats are warden controlled and mosly elderly people
Can't think why a young man on drugs would be given a flat in that area
I know they have to live somewhere, but not among'st elderly and some disabled people
The council have only recently moved a druggie ou from another flat as he had people round a lot of the time,plus selling drugs through his window

I have seen a few police cars driving around and when I was out on my bike on a track not far from here I saw a police office walking around. I think they are looking for groups of people not us exercising because I just cycled pass hime with a nod. Usually we don't see any police one patrol.

Just checked. He is a lawyer.

But, in mitigation, you do not have to be qualified for a job to be able to do it.
How many people have careers which may bear no relationship to their original qualifications?

I suppose, Laibak, if he was an epidemiologist he would be doing that job and not whatever he is doing!!

I go out to shop once a week just for essentials everyone keeps their distance. My husband takes our dog out it's a very woody area he does not usually see anyone. I keep busy in the house and garden but lack enthusiasm as I am missing my family. They do what's app us but it makes me worse worrying about them. One lady said her husband saw Police officers on the beat what a fortunate community that must be. We never see the police our station closed nearly ten years ago. I have heard of situations of people being aggressive in the shops especially now stressed out because of the virus. There are no police around and things could get out of hand.

I don’t read it like that, FarNorth, I read it as those under 70 who have the flu vaccine for health reasons, not simply age, are the ones who are more vulnerable.

www.nhsinform.scot/illnesses-and-conditions/infections-and-poisoning/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-covid-19-general-advice

...now, if only Raab was an expert in epidemiology [or an expert in anything for that matter...]...

That's interesting Riverwalk; no wonder they've been so proactive.

Talking of Taiwan, I heard on the BBC World Service that the deputy prime minister, formerly health minister, is an Epidemiologist who trained at the renowned Johns Hopkins University.

My youngest DD has a tiny garden but her house backs on to fields. She has a very very active 2 year old (besides a 1 year old and a 9 year old!) if the 2 year old is not taken out for some sort of intense exercise at least once a day he is a nightmare! The garden is not big enough to meet his needs and so the daily kick a ball about in the field is a must!
DD 2 and DGD live in a 2 bed flat by the beach with no out door space so her exercise is a walk on the beach every day; it can’t be avoided that it’s the beach and it annoys me that other selfish people drive there to take their exercise and walk dogs risking all of it becoming out of bounds!

In Scotland, we were told that everyone eligible for flu vaccine should stay in.
So, everyone of 65 or over and people with various health conditions.

That’s not quite the picture in Sweden according to Forbes.com as at yesterday - “...But as the curve of new infections and deaths in Sweden gets steeper (the total dead rose 12% from Friday to Saturday, bringing the latest figure to 373), and more and more from outside Sweden question the country’s approach, it’s beginning to feel less sustainable. And it seems that as Sweden’s infection and death rates begin to exceed that of neighbors Denmark and Norway, both of which have stricter lockdowns in place, that especially could cause leadership to consider more comprehensive restrictions. Yesterday Prime Minister Stefan Lofven warned that Sweden may see “thousands” of deaths from COVID-19.”

RTE reports from 6 hours ago that “Sweden's King Carl XVI Gustaf has urged Swedes to refrain from Easter travels to loved ones in a bid to curb the spread of Covid-19, as the death toll rises in one of Europe's few countries not in lockdown.

Sweden, whose softer measures to combat the spread of the new coronavirus have drawn criticism both at home and abroad, had reported 6,830 confirmed cases of the illness and 401 deaths by yesterday. That is up from 3,700 cases and 110 deaths one week earlier”

Those are just two recent articles but others seem to suggest that the tide is starting to turn in Sweden. The countries which have had the most success in combating it like S Korea and Taiwan have taken a very different approach.

SirChenjin yes I know it was reported on the BBC and everywhere else, my point was that I couldn't find any footage to confirm the claim.

Chestnut all over 70s were not told to self exclude, which was what isolation means. The exact rules are given in the Public Health England document www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-guidance-on-social-distancing-and-for-vulnerable-people/guidance-on-social-distancing-for-everyone-in-the-uk-and-protecting-older-people-and-vulnerable-adults.

Those of us that haven't been docketed are strongly advised to socially distance and only go outside for food or health reasons Nowhere does it say we have to go into isolation, however you word it.

These tight regulations have been extended to everybody for three weeks, while for over 70s it is 3 months.

The problem is, other countries have far higher social responsibility to each other. It’s obvious that the UK does not seem to have a high social responsibility based by the people who are out and about constantly.