EU Top Scientist Resigns

But this isn't an "EU response" - it's the way this particular programme operates. It's non-directional which means that their whole raison d'etre is to give scientists the freedom to research in broad terms around their original funding. Not much funding gives the researchers the ability to change direction if something promising is discovered. This is the way science can leap forward unconstrained. It's a rare thing.

Italy is complaining the EU response is not cohesive or quick enough.

This seems to link into Prof Farrari's complaints.

Interesting Brexit response Cunco.

There would have been a job description and the inerview process would have made it absolutely clear what they expected of the job holder when appointed. The applicants would all have had opportunities to ask questions about anything they felt unsure about.

When something falls apart so spectacularly in such a short period of time and with such acrimony. The simple explanation is one side or the other or both simply f*cked up the whole recruitment process. It is not the first time that sort of thing has happened and it will not be the last.

In my corporate career I witnessed some disastrous appointments, though few where disillusion set in quite so quickly.

Thanks NotSpaghetti and others.

There are plenty of discussions of what went wrong. This is one from The Guardian:

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/08/eu-most-senior-scientist-mauro-ferrari-resigns-handling-coronavirus-crisis

My own view is that Ferrari wanted an immediate response to the state of emergency and the EU was unable and unwilling to take that route. The EU is a project towards a United States of Europe and, until it gets there, the current EU seems poorly positioned to deal with crisis, as it was in 2008. Discussion of whether the EU will work well if or when it gets there is not for now; but perhaps what we should have been discussing for the past 40 years.

No, Cunco you are right - not good recruiting but they won’t be the first selection panel to have recruited someone who turns out to be not as they seem!!!

M0nica did say (partly in response to you) I am left wondering why they ever appointed him in the first place and why he ever accepted it.

M0nica As you have said, there are always two sides to a story but if we accept the ERC viewpoint, it wasn't a great piece of recruiting. In answer to your question about why they appointed him in the first place, this from the EC on 14 May 2019 may help:

'The Commission’s decision followed a competitive selection procedure led by a high-level Search Committee. The Search Committee’s call for applications, launched in July 2018, attracted over 50 high-level applications. Following an evaluation process and interviews with the most promising candidates, the Search Committee presented a shortlist of the three most suitable candidates to Commissioner Moedas. The candidates met with the ERC Scientific Council, who also approved the appointment of Professor Ferrari. Professor Ferrari is appointed by the Commission for a 4-year term of office, renewable once.'

You may be interested in this Callistemon (though a little off-thread) as it explains the way Germany went about testing and how the UK (and others) chose to do things differently and so are currently at a disadvantage:
reaction.life/why-is-germany-able-to-test-for-coronavirus-so-much-more-than-the-uk/

Of course there was also Exercise Cygnus which was the pandemic drill in October 2016 that basically warned us we were under-prepared for a pandemic but which seems to have been swept under the carpet. All these things have contributed to us being in the state we are in at present.
www.newstatesman.com/politics/health/2020/03/government-documents-show-no-planning-ventilators-event-pandemic

?That was a very interesting and full piece M0nica - thanks for posting.

Sadly yes. I'm a bit cross about it. We could have beat this and prevented a lot of damage to the economy and all the losses that will bring too. We could have saved a hell of a lot of peoples mental health and we could have prevented people dying alone. That's not the spin they will put on it though.

I expect you do

They wouldn't have needed hundreds of thousands of tests had they shut down straight away. That's the point. The NHS would be more able to cope if they hadn't underfunded it for 10 years. Another point. I have more if you need them? How about the report that came out shortly before the virus saying that the world was unprepared to fight a new novel virus? Not worth reading? Not worth taking into consideration when the first warnings came from Wuhan late last year? Or the experts who were shouting SHUT DOWN Now an the people who wpul be live right now if they had listened straight away? I probably still have more.

So - how are they supposed to have hundreds of thousands of test kits produced and waiting for a then unknown virus?
Or one that everyone thought could be contained within a locked down Wuhan?
And, when it emerged, they needed to know the RNA and then find the DNA of the virus.

I get your points Starblaze and agree with you. It's as though our leaders didn't take it seriously - it was something which was happening to people in other countries - like Ebola or Zika. They were appalling role models at a critical time.

Interesting

We also had people in positions of power shaking hands and swanning off to holiday homes. Not the best example to set really. However it will never be their fault.

Of course but the point being, we should have shut down all transport in and out of the country and employed test and trace immediately. That's not ever going to be the fault of someone hugging their mum but that's how it will be played if we cannot bring this down to a reasonable level for too long.

I'm unfamiliar with the reference Starblaze but anybody who thought it was OK to hug his/her own mother presumably thinks that he/she is somehow special and is a fool.

Mistakes have been made and lies have been told.

My money is on Dominic Cummings and Matt Hancock both losing their jobs. Both have lost the confidence of the public. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if Priti Patel somehow gets "lost" in a reshuffle in a few months.

There are going to be a lot of people in high places looking for scapegoats for mistakes. Nor surprised he jumped ship. Although, I think ours will go with some of us not following the rules as being to blame. Given the reactions I've seen to someone (gasp) hugging their own mum I think the general public will buy it.

Cunco, for any employer to put out a statement as scathing as the one they published, then you can rely on it. No employer would risk doing so if they did not know that they could back up every word in a court of law.

I must say I am left wondering why they ever appointed him in the first place and why he ever accepted it.

There are many who have always been keen to find something to use to attack the EU, just as the Express, DIly Mail etc have done for years.

I'm sorry varian but this still doesn't connect with how the sacking/resignation of Ferrari has anything to do with Brexit. I know you feel very strongly about Brexit but, on this occassion, the connection seems somewhat oblique.

If we accept the ERC version of events, it wasn't the greatest high level appointment in the world. According to the ERC, he seems to have proved entirely unsuitable for the job and he left after 3 months.

varian

I ask again ' why' would this story be used to make an attack on the EU by Brexit voters?

Your reply is only establishing your affirmed opinion of what you think of Brexit voters but it does not explain what in this story could lead to an attack on the EU by an entire group of people.

There are many who have always been keen to find something to use to attack the EU, just as the Express, DIly Mail etc have done for years.

19 out of 19 members; all giving the same reasons for wanting Ferrari gone, doesn't come across as him "not toeing the EU line", it comes across as though he wasn't doing the job that he was employed to do and so they ousted him.

varian please could you explain how you managed to extrapolate anything about Brexit from that? I struggle to follow your line of reasoning, please could you expand on it?

"This news will no doubt be welcomed by the brexit brigade."
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Why?