Hypocritical neighbours

Our neigbours were running a business from their council house - initially drug dealing, then helium balloons and lately hot tub parties; they have obviously been stopped in their tracks - possibly by the council curtailing their activities - and now they're regularly inviting their BFF family across the road to come for drinks parties and the hot tub - most weekends they're there till after midnight. I guess things are better (at least we can now park outside our house!) but you'd think they would learn.

Please send me the screen shot of the PM that you have accused me of sending to you.

And yet, I couldn't tell you in all honesty, what your last post was about (other than the one you've just addressed to me), yet you can recall mine from over 2 months ago. I really think you need other interests.

Gagajo screen shoot away, I have never PMd you and I don’t intend to.
Not sure what clique you are referring to as I don’t belong to one.
I just recognise hypocrisy when I see it, as to stalking you, you are a prolific poster, with many, many opinions that I read along with the other posters.

Oops, that was before lockdown. If you were stalking me 'watching my posts with interest' back then, you'd be fully aware of that.

Plus, go and try to intimidate someone else. That little clique you're in is pathetic. Careful I don't screen shot the private messages.

It is stupid and they are ignorant. I am disabled. I got up to go to work one morning and my legs gave way. I was diagnosed with GBS and the lumbar puncture showed it was a virus I caught. That was in 1987 and I was 46. I am still disabled. Over the years it went up my body from my feet. I was very ill indeed, and every year something was added. All through that time I was nursed and helped by my late husband. My sisters could not understand how someone could be walking one day and fighting for life the next. I think they are still sceptical. I do not know. I do not see them. They were not the only ones. How can you explain why you need a wheelchair? I try not to think about the horrid things I have had said and done to me, as though that will shame me into being whole again.
If your neighbours think the rules do not apply to them, it is their risk and so long as you stay away from them you will be safe.
Perhaps after this viruses will be treated seriously. Perhaps people with think twice about going into care homes, and ever retirement housing, especially flats. There is no NHS in care homes. They even pay for the local GP. Care home owners pay it and pass it to residents. All notes have DNR on them. When they are sick they do not receive treatment from qualified NHS nurses. Those who care for them - and who have not been given PPE - are trained to wash, dress, feed etc, and at the lowest pay. They do not know how to nurse in sickness and residents do not receive proper treatment for illnesses, nor do hospitals admit them. Now there must be questions as to whether care home owners are liable for the deaths for not supplying adequate protection for staff and residents.

Well said, Oopsadaisy3, also far too much to say about Brexit when not even living and working here!

* Gagajo* I’ve watched your posts with interest, I remember you returning home from Switzerland , straight off of the plane to your Family, no isolation but many excuses as to why you had no choice.
My neighbours also have lots of excuses about why they can see other family members at the weekends, I’m sure some of their excuses are as good as yours were, although you use more Block Capitals than they do.

I am talking about people I personally saw. 5 families who live in different houses on my street. Street party. All together. No distancing. That was and still is against the rules.

Well, if you make a ridiculous comment I'm not sure how others are putting you at risk you ought to expect a retort on the same level.

Make a valid point if you want a better debate.

GagaJo please don’t treat me in such a condescending manner. It’s not very nice.

I’m not sure they are breaking a law. Someone reported a friend of mine (wrongly as it happens) and when the police came and he asked them if he had broken any laws the policeman said no.
I rather imagine the person who reported him knew who he was (he has lived in the area for 40 years) and where he lived and was being spiteful.

Some people HAVE to work. They have no choice.

You do have a choice about getting together with the neighbours because you deem it worth YOUR risk. Selfish.

Because I'd like to come out at SOME point Rosalyn69. Not to mention, the higher the rate of infection in ones area, the greater the chance of catching it. It IS very simple really.

If we all stay in, the virus will lessen. If half of us go out, it'll spread like wildfire.

If someone broke your car window, you'd report them, wouldn't you? They're breaking the law and harming you. If someone had a party on VE day, they're breaking the law and potentially harming you. How are they different?

I’m not sure how others are putting you at risk if you are self isolating.

So, people are shocked that we notice, shocked that we don't say anything, shocked if we do, think we should phone the police, and think we shouldn't.

I'm SHOCKED that so many of you accept that your neighbours put your lives and the lives of many, many vulnerable people at risk.

We're not fighting an external enemy. No one WANTS their neighbours to be in trouble. But the only way this is going to improve is if we all pull together.

Those refusing to follow the rules are putting us all at risk. They're not brave resisters. They're bl**dy selfish idiots.

Yes, report them all to the Police. No doubt you are the same types of people who would have reported your neighbours to the Gestapo or the Stasi!

i was just wondering , if you felt you should report them, who would you inform, would it be the police ?

My neighbour is off out to her son's today.
She just told me as she went by (shouted it through the window, in case anyone wonders)

All the family will be there, including son's girlfriend, who is a senior carer in a care home.

Should have her hair shaved, sprayed with some sort of dye, and ostracised forever!!!!
It worries me how quickly so many people have descended to the level of 'reporting or so-called naming and shaming' other people.
Just the sort of behavior that was abhored in the countries under nazi yoke, that we are supposedly recently celebrating over throwing.

A woman in my street is a practice manager for a local GP practice. She and her husband had extended family around yesterday. Other neighbours were furious and very upset as they have been following the rules and have not see their adult children and grandchildren etc. Well I'm afraid I saw red at this. This woman could potentially get the virus and take it to work where she will be in close proximity to the Gp's and nurses. So I posted this information on a local website. I haven't mentioned names or the GP practice but it wouldn't take a brain surgeon to work it out. Another neighbour went to the GP website and there is a question and answer bit asking if they would recommend the practice. They ticked extremely unlikely and put the reason, because the practice manager does not practice social distancing!

BUT.... not really defending those people having parties etc. amongst a lot of people.
However, the lockdown and keeping people totally isolated was only ever meant to be a short-term policy, put in place in order to prevent a total breakdown of NHS services for those who caught the virus.
Until such time as a good vaccine against this, is in general use (and who knows when that can be) - the virus will continue to spread and infect people. Unless, the suggestion is that the current isolation and lockdown remains in place for all UNTIL that vaccine is in use.

Yes, obviously, any lifting of the lockdown, and increased circulation of people must mean more of those will get it. This is totally unadvoidable. At present there is ample space in hospitals, etc for any of those that do contract it and require medical intervention.
Lockdown cannot possibly be the final answer - testing, testing and more testing is what is needed. At present we have no idea how many people may have had / currently have this virus.
People are in total panic - not without good reason, but some strange stories are circulating.

Yesterday, a friend told me (in a phone call), that her husband (normally, an intelligent and well-read person) had told her they will stay at home, totally isolating until a vaccine in found - as 90% of over 60-year olds died if they caught this virus!!!! When I told her that not only was the figure totally wrong (under 10% death rate at top end on age scale -over 80-year olds), and that means she is planning to stay at home for the next twelve months at least, she was horrified.
We have been very mixed messages from those supposedly leading us all the way through.

In the meanwhile, whereas it can be comfortable and relaxing for those of us who are retired and on fixed pension incomes, to be able to have this time in our pleasant, comfortable homes, often with nice gardens and nearby outdoor space.
On the other hand..... It is a total nightmare for those trying to continue with their lives amidst economic ruin, either no jobs, or small business going bankrupt, rent and mortgage arrears, children screaming and frightened,and increasingly restless. Breakdown of mental health issues....not surprised that many of these just cannot cope with staying and home - and they are not feeling very safe there.

Barmeyoldbat I feel the government is treating the public like parents treat toddlers when they don't want to tell them the truth. All this stuff about being "released" from lockdown and somehow connecting it with the liberation of Europe is absolute tosh.

It doesn't matter whether people are "allowed" out twice or day or drive to a beauty spot or go to a garden centre (or whatever) - the virus is still going to be there and it will affect people in exactly the same way it has up to now, even if people do have a dodgy app on their smartphone. The government doesn't have a magic wand and this is going to be around for a long time yet. No amount of Johnson's upbeat waffle is going to change that. IMO people would be extremely foolhardy to abandon social distancing now (for those who've been sticking to the rules in the first place).

I'm extremely grateful I was totally unaffected by any of the so-called celebrations on Friday.

I’m of the opinion if people want to flout the ambiguous rules let them. I’m self isolating, as is my daughter, her husband and children. She works from home and he is a key worker. He does the shopping once each week for his family and me. We could order online (if we could get a slot) but he feels there are more vulnerable that need this service. What I do take exception to is the people who flout the rules, endanger other people’s lives and then stand on their doorsteps every Thursday evening and clap for the NHS, who’s job is ten times worse for their stupidity. And the people who have parties and bbqs with friends but get their weekly shop delivered because they think a supermarket is too risky. God help us.