I predict another rise of covid

I used to have a teacher who would regularly tell me that trying hard wasn't producing good enough results and that I needed to try harder! She was right!

Yes totally aggree sadly

I doubt the ‘idiots’ even listened. It’s just common sense and self-preservation to stay apart from others, but all through the lockdown there has been a group of about 10 boys, 14 years old or so, who have been riding round the streets on bikes and scooters, scoffing at people who ask them to respect others. The police know about them but nothing is done

According to the KCL data, there are 52 people in my council area currently showing as symptomatic. Admittedly, that's possibly not that accurate because lots of people won't bother reporting mild symptoms. However, it's obvious in a region of 75,000, not that many people are actually infected at this moment. We're about average.

What I don't understand is why those people can't be traced by local officials and strictly isolated. People are likely to take more notice of a knock on the door than an anonymous text or even a phone call. It could be ensured that infected people have everything they need and, if it's not possible for them to isolate at home, they could even be offered accommodation elsewhere. There could be check ups and if they need further treatment, they could be fast-tracked to hospital. Contacts over the last 7 days could also be followed up.

As there aren't that many, it wouldn't be an unreasonable ask. The spread of infection could certainly be controlled. However, if people are going to start travelling further and meeting more people, the numbers are going to start rising quickly and the opportunity for containment will have been missed.

Am I missing something?

The government is asking everyone to try and use some common sense - unfortunately a lot of people don’t have any and have been flouting the lockdown rules all along. They cannot get everything right or please everyone, we’ve never been in this situation before. Be sensible, stay safe and if anyone has got a better idea then put if forward. Our government are trying really hard to get this right.

These " rules " don't include people cramming into carriages ??

We're still having a high proportion of deaths and I can't understand this encouragement to get back to work ?

Do you know what ? I give up ! Over 6,000 deaths in less than 2 weeks.

So I suppose if Lib/Labour/GreenParty/UKIP got in we wouldn't have this Covid issue? People would have behaved themselves and abided by the rules?
Of course not.

You cannot blame the government because they are being led by experts and can only go on the data they are receiving.

If you're so happy with 50,000+ deaths and rising, Callistemon, then so be it. I think that a lot of people are of the strong opinion that had the whole episode been better managed from the start there would have been fewer deaths. I don't think that staggering a huge death toll over more months in order to 'ease the strain on the NHS' should have been the only objective. I don't recall if it was billed as such.

I do, though, recall talk of doing our best to minimise deaths from the virus until such time as a vaccine had been developed.

I realise that there might never be a vaccine, but the objective of minimising deaths and controlling the spread oof the virus seems to be a rather more appealing one than letting it sweep through the population, with deaths in the 100s of 1,000s, in the vague hope of producing herd immunity.

A hope which, in view of persistent human susceptibility to past scourges, such as smallpox, TB, diphtheria etc which was only halted by the development of effective vaccines, seems to be even more forlorn that the hope of developing a vaccine.

Regarding BAME being more vulnerable to Covid-19 I am curious as to why the mortality numbers are not higher in Africa and Asia.

In the outlying villages healthcare can be nonexistent, especially in Africa, Bangladesh, India, Pakistan and Thailand. Are we to assume that Covid deaths are not being reported?

they cant do right for doing wrong, people have been queuing at coffee shops for something they can make at home the government do not order hospital supplies hospital management are responsible Boris has been through it and come out the other side its up to us/ourselves to take precautions but of course people will be people and do as they please remember we are adults and should behave responsibly

The rules are very clear if people take the time to read them properly on Gov.uk. It sets out precisely what you can and cannot do. However there is little point in having rules if people choose to ignore them which will happen.

stay indoors

No, that has never been the message even for those who have to self-isolate At Home, unless they live in a flat with no balcony.

At some point or other, we have to learn to use risk assessments and take responsibility for our own actions, always being mindful of the safety of others too.

The problems arise when the messages are unclear or mixed and some members of the public are selfish, arrogant and disregard the safety of others.

The message regarding schools is similar to the advice given in some other countries but I'm not sure that it is a wise one. Small children of 4 or 5 may listen to the rules but then forget what they are supposed to do, it is only natural in the excitement of meeting up with their friends again.

Can’t remember what minister was speaking on ‘Today‘ Program R4 about 8.10 but all I heard was a lot of ems ! No conviction in his voice, hesitated every few minutes. I would not buy a used car off him! Don’t think the messages are clear and pity Police having to deal with the chaos.

I object to the government playing Russian roulette with my life by easing the lockdown as a means of returning back to " normal " asap.
When I saw news about sardine-packed London trains this morning I knew nothing had changed so there'll be no surprise when a second wave hits. Where's the sense ? Where's the thought for humans in general ? There isn't any !

Not much of a prediction. Stating the obvious. Just common sense.

I totally agree with you and all those who whinged they wanted to go out , will all be in doors again with stricter rules . More panic buying more people dying , is it worth it just so you can meet your friend in the park . For everybody's sake stay in doors .

Having seen filming of people travelling to work this morning in London, I don't think the situation has a hope of improving until they make face masks compulsory on the underground and surrounding area.

The problem stems from democracy. British people won't always choose to obey rules. In India, if you were caught outside, you were hit with sticks. Here you get a friendly telling off by a policeman. That's the reason our lock down is only partially successful. Personally I've stayed home so I know I'm safe.

Why do people not understand the difference between number of deaths and death rate per capita?
It is surely a relatively easy concept to grasp.

The plan was always to ease the lockdown when the peak had passed and it was always known that there would be another rise in cases after that. The scientific model predicted that, but that the NHS would then be able to cope.

The problems will arise from the lack of clarity with what is proposed and the different stance taken by other parts of the UK.

What is wrong with people, why are so many incapable of acting responsibly? We know that the virus is still active, we know what precautions we should take to protect ourselves. We need everyone to continue being cautious and sensible. Why is that so difficult?

There are only two ways of handling a pandemic, you either let it run riot like Sweden or close everything down like Greece , New Zealand etc. This country has done neither and has not managed the situation with any sense. The police have no powers, many people no longer respect authority.
It has been a disaster and I believe history will support this. I think we will end up with the highest death rate apart from USA. The government know the latter but are pushing the result forward because they think in a years time they can handle the flack better.

We need to look at the bigger picture here - all countries are lifting lockdown in varying degrees. With the sole purpose of managing a second wave during summer months.

Too close to the truth!

There's a meme on FB saying 'It's not that the virus is lessening, it's just that there's now room for you in ICU'.

Going back to the thread title, it is inevitable that there will be a second peak. The government and their scientists know this. But there is now the capacity in ICUs to deal with it!