I predict another rise of covid

The problem is notanan2 that any attempt to restrict the BAME would probably be seen as racism. They do need protection, but how?

15# of UK is BAME, 17% is Covid related deaths are BAME not hugely over what would be expected.

the data is already there. It has already been corrected to account for comorbidities and poverty and being BAME remains a huge risk even when corrected for those other factors.

Why isnt that enough?
No it wont be interesting to wait to find out why. They need protecting NOW.

Yes, some of us are, that is why we'll be interested in the results of research, blood groups and genetics.

There is now a theory that high levels of testosterone have contributed to the number of covid deaths in the elderly. There are more deaths among men than women.

and a disproportionate amount of those men are BAME but GN isnt interested in that....

Bit shortsighted of them in Germany the R is now over 1% and rising.

Thousands of Citizens protested in Berlin, Munich and Stuttgart yesterday against the German Governments lockdown policy, they are calling for an end to restrictions.

Haven't seen this being reported by MSM

You cannot confine people indefinitely in a democracy.

Yes, must be awful, I agree.

Neither did I. Just the figures.
I don't understand the implicit trust in other countries' facts and figures but the deep mistrust of those of the UK, that's all.

You didn't answer the question: Have you been to India?

Jeez! I'm the one who is in trouble for being trusting, Callistomen. I didn't say that I don't trust foreigners.

I think it is so sad that some people go through their lives with being suspicious of everyone and everything as their default mode.

There is now a theory that high levels of testosterone have contributed to the number of covid deaths in the elderly. There are more deaths among men than women.

I'll be watching BBC1 at 7 pm with interest. I'm really hoping that few restrictions are lifted.

Already we've had the 'forgetting' of social distancing with Friday's VE street parties, traffic levels have picked up, more people are having visitors and children are playing out together.

Fast forward a couple of weeks from now (the incubation period) and, inevitably, infection levels will be on the rise - without any official changes at all.

Ellenvannin Perhaps the ASians were elbrating the death of a family member and /or close friend?

Tomorrow maddyone

However, we just ordered a delivery, it came last week. And I'm not supposed to go out but I keep thinking of the Queen song:

"I Want to Break Free"

(Now I'll get told off on this thread.)

Is the Garden Centre open Callistemon ? I think you’ll have to wait till tomorrow for that, or possibly later.

growstuff I don’t think I said you do believe figures from other countries did I? I don’t believe any of the figures, from the UK or anyone else to be honest. I’m sorry if I said that. Looking back I thought I agreed with you.

Shall I break out and go to the Garden Centre?
I dont have shielded tattooed across my forehead.

Oh growstuff I do hope you’re right, that’ll be some mumbling about garden centres and exercise tonight and not much else. I’m afraid, very afraid that you might be wrong. I do hope not.

foreigners can't be trusted an inch
Are you including my family in that MaizieD?

Thanks.

Isn't it true that no matter what the government decide to do some people will disagree with it. If they decide to relax restrictions, even a little bit, they will be blamed for any increase in deaths, if they don't they will be accused of violating peoples human rights (as stated by Piers Corbyn).

also look at the younger, slimer deaths. They are even less likely to be white

most of the pictures of the medics who died were older black or asian males!

the origional shielding list was drawn uo to capture the most at risk. It did not account for race. We now know race does change your risk.

The list needs to change now that we know better

notanan I have and I know being BAME is a big risk factor, but it's not the biggest. Try looking at pictures of the tens of thousands who have died. You'll find most of them are elderly males. If you looked at their medical records, you'd find most of them have certain medical conditions and/or are seriously overweight or obese.

No, grandMattie, but I still don't fancy the idea of being struck down with a horrible avoidable illness. I've been in an ambulance once, fearing I wouldn't make it to the hospital. I'd quite like to hang on for a bit longer … and I expect most people would, given the choice.

look through the photos of the dead NHS workers.

The army is in!
Blaming Cummings is pointless, the Cabinet do have proper scientific advisors, and profit and loss cannot be ignored foerever....there would be no money to achieve anything if the economy goes to pot more than it already has.
There may well be second waves of Covid19 as there have been in other countries, but they too, have to balance the economy and health.This virus will be around a long time yet, but it won’t be possible or desirable for society to continue in lockdown for much longer.Those who really need to will have to continue being careful.