I predict another rise of covid

No, being BAME is not the biggest risk factor. It's certainly a big risk factor, but being male, over 80, obese and having certain medical conditions such as hypertension or diabetes are bigger risk factors

there are BAME males who are over 60 and have medical conditions.

They ARE the most at risk and many of them are still front line working while less at risk white people shield.

That's a difficult one, MayBee. I'll have a cup of tea and think about it ...

maddyone Nowhere have I ever said that I believe the figures from other countries.

So, if neither parliament or the cabinet have been consulted about the contents of Johnson’s pre recorded ‘live’ speech tonight, who did write it?

My prediction is that Johnson will announce almost nothing this evening. Some mumbling about exercise and garden centres, but I doubt if there will be much else. (Let's see how wrong I am! )

No, being BAME is not the biggest risk factor. It's certainly a big risk factor, but being male, over 80, obese and having certain medical conditions such as hypertension or diabetes are bigger risk factors.

I agree with those that say this isn't about politics. I may not have voted Tory, but ANYONE that can have some kind of handle on this will be a hero in my eyes.

I think Cummings is behind a lot of the bad decisions and should go. The government need to retool with PROPER scientific advisors and forget about the cost and profit/loss and get a stranglehold on the country. Get the army in. Totally ignore their donors. Because if not, we're going to hit the 200,000 deaths figure that some predicted a couple of months ago.

I'm aware they're thinking about re-election, but they're not going to get in again if that happens either.

notanan Do you have evidence of that? From what I've seen on local Facebook groups, those who received the shielding letters are definitely not working. Many of them had already retired and others have very serious conditions and couldn't work.

Thanks maddyone

Thank you Lemon and with respect, I do think the lockdown should have been stricter, and the police given the powers to enforce it.

Sadly Whitewave I have to agree with you, the predicted rise will happen.

The initial shielding list was made based on the best assumptions about risk hierarchies that could be made at the time.

We are now NOT shielding the most vulnerable. They are at work while people lower risk than them shield.

the bigger picture is that being BAME is the biggest risk factor and BAME people need to be the ones shielding now that we know more about the disease

greeneyed exactly!

The predicted rise will still happen.

It seems to me that similar to many threads, much energy is raised by quibbling with one another over minutia, and sight of the bigger picture is lost.

maddyone I agree with your posts.??

The trouble is, on any forum you will get people who will say anything about a current government.....because they vote the other way so enjoy deriding them.
So easy to say what ‘the government’ should have done ( in their expert view)? and it should be remembered that all countries have struggled to do their best, in their differing ways, we all want it to be coped with, and then got over and a vaccine available.
Some European countries have armed police who employ harsh measures and the populace do not want to mess with them, which is why Spain for instance managed to keep all citizens ( virtually!) under strict lockdown.It couldn’t and shouldn’t happen here.
It will be interesting to see what Johnson announces tonight,
But a cautious returning to normality, for most of the country has to be tried, if only for the economy ( although for mental wellbeing as well) is necessary.Those of us who should be very careful can continue to be so.

Callistemon
I hope they don’t find an upsurge in cases too, and I hope your daughter takes care and remains safe.

Sussexborn
Good post at 13.42

growstuff I AM an optimist, but it is an absolute truism! Do you you of anyone who has lived for ever?

maddyone a cheerful DD phoned this morning from Australia and said they're allowed friends over, can drive out 50km and shops are reopening.
I hope they don't find an upsurge in cases.

And I don’t think we should be relaxing anything yet!

growstuff
I don’t believe the figures from the UK either, I suspect they may be nearer to forty thousand. However, I also don’t believe the figures from other countries either.

I didn't state I believed the figures from here either, so why should I believe those from a country of 1.4 billion people, many of whom lives in extreme poverty in overcrowded slums with poor sanitation?

Or perhaps I should believe every word but not those of this country.

I think one of the major scandals in the management of this virus is the way it has/is tearing through Care Homes.

Did I hear Hancock say the other day that care homes had been a top priority from the start?

If so why weren't the residents in these homes monitored, protected, staff and residents tested, PPE kit supplied and so on? Did someone decide from the outset that they were "collateral damage"?

What an indictment of a rich and civilised country that we didn't protect the most vulnerable, and the full death toll may never be known, but individual families know.

ridiculous post, MaizieD.

You don't believe the figure of a relatively small country like the UK so why should uou believe the figures from a huge country with a widespread population where people left the cities on crowded buses and went back to remote villages?

Have you ever been to India?
Have you ever lived there?

MaizieD Now, you can go on believing that all those dreadful foreigners are fiddling their figures and we're not. I prefer to have a wee bit more faith in the integrity of most foreign governments...

Unbelievable - you would prefer to have more faith in the integrity of foreign governments like China, India et al, but not your own? Have you read recent headlines? China covered up the outbreak of the virus! Words fail me.