The Media Virus - are we being manipulated?

NannyC2, I am not talking about deaths which have been attributed to a Covid 19, but the number of excess deaths above the usual norm expected during the months that Covid has been prevalent. It is irrelevant whether the people concerned were tested or their deaths recorded as being the result of Covid. These are an extra 60,000 deaths, if Covid is not the cause what do you think it could be?

Woodmouse49, it's a shame you feel unable to contribute to the threads on here, but free-thinkers are not encouraged. There are other sites with a more open-minded attitude, as I'm sure you have discovered.

We are manipulated by the media, there is no doubt about it. I constantly struggle to find a news site which does actually report the news. So much of it seems to be different people's opinions.
It's obvious that the tv producers pick and choose what to include in their bulletins. They want to influence our thinking and only show the items which suit their criteria.
There are so many areas where the government try to brainwash us.

Not watched the interview yet but will do this evening

Very interested in your comment about groupthink.

It's very difficult to express an alternate view on social media and forums these days

People just don't bother due to the backlash that ensues

I may be wrong but is Covid a certifiable disease which has to be mentioned on the death certificate? Please correct me on this if it isn't.

If that is the case then just as an example a man was taken into hospital with severe heart failure. He caught Covid and died shortly afterwards.

His death may have been added to the Covid figures but he was more likely to have died of heart failure.

I don't believe everything we are told.

Yes AGAA4, there has been undoubtedly, a high number of deaths from Covid which is heartbreaking.
However, how can you just believe, as a 'point of view' without facts based on proper evidence?

Fear should NEVER be used to control, Luckygirl. Have you listened to the interview?

Statistics can sometimes hide the human story, Nandalot. Answers are 'out there.'

How many people have really died from Covid-19?

Since the outset, you heard a death toll mentioned in the media each day, until recently when it told us how many more people had died in hospitals after a positive test. The government now adds the number of deaths after a positive test in other locations. Some call this number “the official death toll”.

Some of the people who died “with” Covid-19 did not actually die “from” it, which is true, according to the death certificates.
Analysis by the ONS found that 14% of the death certificates mentioning “Covid-19” in March did not list the disease itself as the “underlying cause of death”. It also found that deaths from ischaemic heart disease— one of the biggest killers in the UK—were 26% below the average for the month. This could mean that Covid-19 killed some people who were already close to death, but it could also mean that some heart disease deaths were being attributed to Covid-19 incorrectly.
Some scientists disagree with other scientists.
All facts have to be looked - we need to wait longer until reliable data can be shown - or will it??

Fear can be used to control - and there are times (such as now) when it SHOULD be.

I rarely read the papers.

I do believe that the high number of deaths have been caused by Covid.

Thank you Woodmouse49 for your very interesting comments.
Do not fear about making comments on these threads, your beliefs are just as important than anyone else's.
Like you I hope the NUJ take the vote again as yes, it WAS only lost by one vote as you said.
Anna has worked both for the BBC and ITV. It was her dream to work for Panorama, but she says now she can't think of anything more abhorrent than working for them.
In a video with journalist Robert Stuart, Anna questioned a 2013 Panorama episode entitled Saving Syria’s Children. Robert Stuart alleges that the BBC broadcast faked injuries of children in Syria, while the UK parliament was considering its foreign policy towards the country.

It is so important we don't rely on one source of news - we need to read and research more to find out more.
I enjoyed reading your comments.

So if Covid is not the reason how do you account for the fact that compared with the average in previous years the number of deaths in the UK is now approx. 60,000 more than that average since the start of the pandemic.

I've watched the whole interview. The more I listened to them, the more compelled I felt to listen to the very end.

She talks of trust in people. Through trust you have belief. I do believe he is right about it being difficult to know who to trust. I very rarely, these days, make any comments on threads here but this has made me want to. My beliefs have been questioned in the past and I refused to be persuaded otherwise (groupthink) so I stop posting.

I do read a lot of GN threads. I work outside so the weather has forced me to take shelter with my laptop! My current interest are the threads about Cummings. I've probably found 8 threads now that are directly or indirectly about him.

Putting Cummings aside - and remembering a range of threads, it's clear from comments I read on some of the forums, just how much some GNers believe the media and trust political parties at a national level. There is also a lot of confusion running through GN comments, on what is to be believed.

Another interesting reference was that about Sweden and also about WHO alongside the individual scientists. The figure about deaths per million needs discussing.

I hope the NUJ to take that vote again. Am I right in remembering he said it was lost by one vote?

I too wish we could have a government that we own and trust. At a local level I do believe we can. I haven't voted at a General Election for a long time. My thoughts on this are the same as Henry Widdass.

We do need to demand why Google and Youtube have censored reports from medical experts that conflict with WHO. I should imagine they censor more than that.

He's right in that fear is a controlling weapon.

It interesting to read the comments about the video. Anna refers to "Groupthink" . Had to look this up. Groupthink occurs in groups when individual thinking or individual creativity is lost or subverted to stay within the comfort zone of the consensus view. We need some brave journalists to start engaging critical thinking - to quote Anna.

Corbett Report on my 'to read' list

Thanks NancyC2 and I apologise that my comments have jumped around a bit.