The Media Virus - are we being manipulated?

I think we are as much manipulated by the press as we are by the government!

I m not a disbeliever of this awful virus but I do think worldwide panic and hysteria travel faster than the virus itself and I also believe that for some the cure can be more damaging than the disease itself
Yes we have been badly manipulated and the figures of everything are suspect not least the testing which has been abysmal (double counting just one manipulation )

David we did actually have an excellent preparation for the pandemic which was practiced I think annually but this government dropped it with their total disinterest in the NHS But guess who used it ...Singapore Yes Singapore took our model and ran with it and have done brilliantly
I totally agree that this track and trace is a totally joke and way way too late a complete shambles

Of course we are being manipulated that’s what politicians do, in the case of Covid 19 there was absolutely no preparation for a pandemic and the government was very slow to react. Because they were slow we where are the back of the queue for PPE.

They do not have a clue how many of the general population have been exposed to virus, we will probably never know. February onwards a large number of us had symptoms that are now being named as Covid19 symptoms, including myself. My OH just had a headache for 2 days but undoubtedly was exposed to virus, when I phoned my GP, his reply was take Paracetamol and call back if you have difficulty breathing.

The latest “World beating” contact tracing is just playing catch-up, being seen doing something. As it’s voluntary it relies on 2 volunteers getting close, most of us have no idea who we are passing next to in the queue or the street.

And I need to proof read my posts!

Sherelle Jacobs! Don’t make me laugh ?

This is the sane Sherelle Jacobs the climate change denier?
The one no science qualifications?

I think you need to question the qualifications of your characters and learn to distinguish between fact and opinion.

This is all very theoretical, though.

It may be true, but without any context it is difficult to see what you are driving at, NannyC2.

Who is behind what? What is the plot hoping to achieve? Why might there be vested interests (invested in what?) who benefit from a lockdown, or from faked death rates?

Without any idea of any of those things, it is difficult to know where to start, really.

I would never try to manipulate anyone, Maybee70 - we all have free wills to choose.
I am trying to convey that in our world things are changing to establish a different type of world order by some very powerful people - and not for the better!
Please, just research and discover more information.

Did you know, Dr John Lee, a pathologist tells us The way ‘Covid deaths’ are being counted is a national scandal and that we have no idea how many lives have really been lost to the disease. He and many of his colleagues really dismayed by changes introduced during the epidemic which mean that pathology has not been able to play the role that it should have in helping to understand the new disease.
He wants proper information to inform responses to the virus, both clinical and societal and says we have no idea how many deaths attributed to Covid 19 really were due to the disease.
Sherelle Jacobs a Telegraph Columnist 28th May (today), says the lack of evidence lockdowns actually worked is a world scandal and that 'there is still not a shred of real proof that the planet's reckless stay-at-home experiment made any difference and says that a University of the East Anglia study posits that Europe's “stay-at-home policies” were not effective.
Nobel prize-winning bio-physicist Michael Levitt also throws interesting informing on the disease.
I myself, am not an expert, but my point is, don't take one point of view before exploring what other experts have to say.
My boss told me in my working days -- 'to reason without data is delusion.'

Is the OP herself trying to manipulate us also I ask myself?

Eloethan my post wasn’t intended to be either.

Can any of the sceptics explain what we are being manipulated for? What is the desired end result?

I would be interested to know this, too.

I can't play the video just now, as I need to have the sound off on my computer.

Can any of the sceptics explain what we are being manipulated for? What is the desired end result?

The OP asks 'are we being manipulated?' and my answer is yes we are.
The forum Lockdown Sceptics has been my sanctuary during this madness. World wide investigations, interviews and statistics are cited giving a much better overview of the Covid situation than that available on MSM in this country.

Lucky girl Thankyou for your comment. I found it to be well balanced.

Very erudite and enlightening Furret.

There’s a difference between being ‘given another view’ and a load of bollocks!

We're reaching a point where we are going to have to pick and choose where to shop safely because some places of business aren't using masks- Customers frequenting those businesses aren't either, they don't social distance, and they're now giving people dirty, annoyed looks if they do wear masks and just seem to be impatient and on edge-

Cases are once again increasing, as are hospitalizations and deaths-

To be honest, I really don't know what or who to believe any more.

On the face of it, if there are so many more excess deaths than is normal for a period of time then it points to the virus as being responsible.

But there is also the issue of doctors reporting that there has been a drop of about 50% of people attending A&E with symptoms indicative of serious conditions, such as stroke, heart attack, etc, etc. Is it possible that some of these people have added to the death figures because they didn't attend for emergency treatment?

There is obviously a virus but it's possible some of the figures are incorrect - though some people say deaths caused by the virus are actually under reported. It's all very confusing.

I am concerned, though, that there seems to be a lot of material taken down from the internet now, on the grounds that it is false. I think it's fair enough to add a warning comment that the contents may be unreliable and that several other commentators and experts disagree - but to actually remove comment is a bit of a worrying trend in my opinion.

Furret it worries me that anything that gives another view on the situation is classed as a conspiracy and is deemed unacceptable for us to digest by the likes of Google, FB and YouTube. I like to read every angle and make my own mind up.

I’m not into these conspiracy theories and, having a background in the biological sciences, I find nothing unbelievable about the course of this pandemic. In fact it was predictable.

I’m pleased that Facebook is taking down misinformation, that YouTube are, at last, doing the same and that Twitter is earmarking Trumps lies and directing the public to the facts

If Johnson had read a few scientific reports maybe he wouldn't have been shaking hands with people and putting himself at risk of catching the virus. Which he did. And, even now all he seems to be able to talk about, protection wise is washing your hands. I've heard/watched plenty of scientific stuff on utube that questions what the WHO says.

Hi Nandalot
To address your question regarding the 60,000 excess deaths compared with other years.

The ONS(Office of National Statistics), uses excess deaths as its primary indicator. It said that on Tuesdayfor example, that the total of 4,385 excess death registrations in the week ending May 15 was distorted because it included deaths that were not registered the previous week when offices were shut for the VE Day public holiday. usually, deaths occur on average four days before they are registered.
One of the big factors of course is deaths in Nursing/Care Homes which was very badly handled especially sending patients from hospitals back into Homes without testing.

Another good source of what is going on can be found on Politico
www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzOa6eB9l8E&t=684s

Polico's video was taken down by You Tube - see above. It will be done again. Do watch - you will be glad you did.
It contained information charts - (Covid death data in England update 21st May), and was given out by a
factual source - the Centre for evidence based medicine.

Surprise, surprise, the BBC have now done a bizarre U-turn saying the same as what Politco reported - word for word on the video taken down by You Tube !!

What is a concern are the sites and channels on the web that are being shut down by the likes of Google and YouTube because they give alternative or extra information. The thought police are moving in and we are being fed the party line. Luckily I have the younger members of my family who share this other world with me...so Be Alert!

Just managed to get back to my laptop, AGAA4.
You asked if it is correct that Covid 19 is a certifiable disease which has to be mentioned on the death certificate? Yes, it was added on 5 March 2020 when a statutory instrument was made into law.
In an emergency period like that of COVID-19, there is a relaxation of previous legislation concerning completion of the medical certificate cause of death (MCCD).
If before death the patient had symptoms typical of the COVID infection, but the test result was not received, it apparently would be satisfactory to give ‘COVID-19’ as the cause of death.
You are quite right about your example - the man, admitted for heart failure, subsequently, catching the virus could well have been recorded as Covid despite the underlying heart failure which accentuated his death?

Boris said today he "doesn't read the scientific evidence" maybe thats why the death toll IS so high ,might be an idea if he knew what was happening in the country he's supposed to be PM of

I have listened to it.
We are manipulated by the media.
Governments have always tried to brainwash us to one degree or another.

These are givens - along with a lot of other negative things that are part of human existence.

The question at the moment is what to believe in relation to coronavirus. The bottom line is that a pandemic like this was just around the corner - all scientists knew this. And now it is here. At what point do you stop believing because you trust neither the government nor the media?

Do we disbelieve that the virus exists?
Do we disbelieve the death statistics?
Do we disbelieve the infection statistics?
Do we believe that the reports from hospitals are concocted?
Do we disbelieve the necessity of a world-wide reaction to the virus?
Do we believe that people should not be afraid of the virus?
Do we believe governments should have done nothing at all?

I am sure that the collection of stats has been flawed in a big way, because of the flawed testing system and the time lag before tests were put in place. Some people would indeed have died anyway, Covid or not. My OH died of pneumonia in February - did he have covid? - I do not know.

There is no question that fear is a factor - people should be afraid of coronavirus - it is a novel virus that has been waiting in the wings for a long time and will mutate. My life has been spent in the company of medics, including my OH - they were on no doubt that this was about to happen. Humankind has always been at the mercy of viruses. That is a biological fact, not propaganda spin.

The sad thing is that we have a travesty of a government whose grasp of the word integrity is nil - precisely nil.

Responding to the interview above, what do you think we should be doing? Ignoring the guidelines? Starting a revolt? Refusing to believe that action to counter the spread is needed?

The word control is very emotive - but in order to control the spread of the virus, a degree of control of people's actions is inevitable.

Where is truth? How do we know where it is?

I have no trust in either the government or the media - but I do trust the scientific brains that have surrounded me all my life, and still do - they believe the preventive steps are necessary - I choose to believe them.