Exciting news about a vaccine?

There seems to be some confusion between RNA and DNA.

I just followed the link re the debunked DNA theory.
oh dear.
We will become robots.

SueDonim

The flu vaccine is created afresh each winter in less than a year. In the case of the hoped-for CV vaccine, it’s the red tape that’s being swept aside in order to develop it asap, not safety.

As for the DNA claim, that’s been debunked. It’s fake news. www.bbc.co.uk/news/53525002

COVID19 is an RNA virus, like some other viruses
That is the method by which it can invade our cells.
That is what some researchers are working on, to produce a vaccine

I'm not sure what the DNA theory was which has been debunked?

There was a poll by YouGov I think which showed 1 in 5 people in U.K. would refuse COVID-19 vaccine if offered, largely because of circulating fake news on social media sites.

We are of course entitled to free speech but there is a consequence if as you say maddy someone becomes seriously ill because they heeded false, unscientific and non evidenced based information.

I would urge everyone to check valid sources for information before making their mind up.

It’s quite simple Flygirl, if you don’t want to have the vaccine if and when it arrives then don’t have it. Those of us who would like to have the vaccine will have it. We don’t need to be dissuaded by other people. If you are willing to take the risk of contracting Covid19 and possibly being seriously ill, and of possibly needing to be on a ventilator, which can in some cases leave people struggling to get back to normal, then it is your right to take that risk.

No the RNA technology is NOT fake news...it was even reported on main stream TV news (that most people on here seem to be following and believing) a couple of weeks ago and hailed as really exciting news in the development of the vaccine, on all main channels! Now, I don't personally believe what msm are spewing at us at the moment, but this was certainly not heresay.
So I think we need to be very careful about what we glibly label as fake now.

Sorry but if you think safety is not being compromised here then I am even more concerned than I was before.

Thanks for that link and the voice of common sense SueDonim.

The flu vaccine is created afresh each winter in less than a year. In the case of the hoped-for CV vaccine, it’s the red tape that’s being swept aside in order to develop it asap, not safety.

As for the DNA claim, that’s been debunked. It’s fake news. www.bbc.co.uk/news/53525002

Maybee what makes you think that? There are several valid studies suggesting just that! If you have a moment look at the Mad Diet facebook page. There's loads of evidence out there.

No, JenniferEccles, I am not a new member.
And no, (for the third time now), I am not anti-vaccine per sé. I am responding to the original topic stating "exciting news" when I do not find it in the very least exciting. In fact, the speed with which it is being developed and thrown at us as being our only "saviour", is frightening me. And I am not alone.
Therefore, I am anti this vaccine, because I feel there is something a little sinister about how quickly this has all come about, and the way it is being peddled to us as the only way out of our dilemma. Similarly, the flippant Boris comment that anyone with an alternative view about it is a "nutter" doesn't sit well with me, either.
I find people's reluctance to ask more questions and to do their own deeper research on vaccines, and their apparent willingness to acquiesce, rather disturbing. Questions such as where the funding is coming from, the possible ulterior motives and ethics of the "elite" providing such funding, and their connection with a much bigger picture; the vaccine's dubious contents; the proposed new RNA technology altering how our immune systems and DNA will change for good, without any redress if it all goes horribly wrong....surely all these Qs require a proper, truthful answer, before submitting to the inevitable needle? Why should that be an unreasonable request? Except, of course, we aren't told what they don't want us to know. Never stop asking questions. It is our bodies, our children's/grandchildren's bodies at stake here. If you're happy with what you have been told, and still think it's the best thing since sliced Mothers Pride, that's fine. After all, our aim is to be fit and well.
If you think I am on here solely to flog the anti vaccine stance, I could of course ask if you are working secretly for Nick Hancock and Boris to spread the pro-vaccine word?.....
In all honesty, I truly hope that you're right and my concerns are completely unfounded. Time will tell.

One of the problems with this new virus is that it affects the immune system in several ways. Sometimes people’s immune system seem to over react to it but it can also de activate our immune system as well. So just trying to get as fit and healthy as possible (which is what I‘ve been doing for the past few months) isn’t necessarily going to protect you.

Are you a new member *Flygirl?

Have you come on here specifically to promote anti vaccine propaganda?

Flygirl - if only good diet and healthy lifestyle were enough to protect us. They are not.

No-one accepts vaccine "without a second thought", but they know their importance in public health.

It costs a lot of money to carry out research into new drugs and vaccines, that is why new drugs are expensive, to recoup the costs and to enable research to continue.
Once licensed, a company can take out a patent to sell the drug but once the patent expires, other companies are allowed to produce generic versions of the drug.

This vaccine will need to be widely available therefore the price will be reasonable but companies etc do need to recoup costs and make enough money to continue research.

Many drugs are based on plants, bacteria and fungi, Flygirl.

People can try to eat and live as healthily as possible but it doesn't mean that illness will not strike, diseases are not inherited or even just living in the world present hazards.

I know you do growstuff and I also know that you’ve been quite afraid and cautious during the pandemic. I also know that you are a pragmatic and sensible person who does the research and acts accordingly. I know this because of the way you write your posts.
As you know I’ve been desperately afraid myself, especially for my daughter and her family. I’ve also suffered from depression which reared it’s ugly head during the lockdown. Hope of a vaccine helps me to be positive about the future. I recognise it might not happen as quickly as I would like, but I’m holding on to hope, but not blind faith.

maddyone

Luckygirl very good posts.
growstuff you are of course correct. But unlike you I do have hope that one of the 28 vaccines (I think) that are currently been tested all over the world will show itself to be both safe and effective. The Oxford vaccine is looking very promising, also the Imperial College one is looking good. I think there’s a good candidate in China and another in America.

I, too, have hope - why on earth wouldn't I? However, I'm realistic and I really don't expect any vaccine for at least a year. During that time, we all need to learn to live with Covid-19. I'm just very cynical about the "breakthrough headlines" because they give the impression that something is just around the corner.

The culture keeps us sick! No money in a healthy nation, is there?

And the development of effective treatments and vaccines keeps us healthy. People live longer, and live more healthy lives for longer in recent years than all through history. Infant mortality has decreased hugely since Victorian times, along with maternal deaths. Many fatal diseases are no longer fatal. The evidence that modern medicine and vaccines have improved life expectancy and quality of life is simply enormous.

Greeneyedgirl
You’re correct, our immune system becomes less efficient as we age. That’s why we are offered a flu vaccine every year if we’re over 65 or have certain conditions. This year the flu vaccine will be offered to everyone over 50. That’s very sensible as Covid19 seems to be worse or kill more people over the age of 50.
If and when a Covid19 vaccine becomes available, I will definitely take it. If others don’t wish to do so, then that’s their choice. No one will be forced anymore than they’re forced to have a flu vaccine.

Jane10 as long as it is safe how exactly will you know that? Because somebody tells you it is? Who are you going to trust?
Jennifer Eccles, it was announced a couple of weeks ago regarding the development of the Covid vaccine that there had been a "breakthrough" with something called RNA (I think) technology, which permanently alters DNA. It was publicly announced on main stream media so I am sure if you research you will find out all about it.

Forgice me, but I always find it astounding that people are so willing to accept any new drugs or vaccines without a even a second thought, as they feel it is somehow buying them their lives back, without joining the dots that any ailments or auto immune diseases that they may develop in the future may be directly attributable to their original decisions. These ailments will probably require more drugs and immuno-suppresants to control them in the future, more money....see where this goes? The culture keeps us sick! No money in a healthy nation, is there?

And yet..... mention anything that is a more natural, less harmful solution, to build natural immunity....or a cheaper (non-profit making) but nonetheless effective prevention like good quality supplements and good nutrition, (seemingly a dirty word) (because nature really does provide answers), and then people actually demand that you provide more evidence!

'Nowt so queer as folk!!

Luckygirl very good posts.
growstuff you are of course correct. But unlike you I do have hope that one of the 28 vaccines (I think) that are currently been tested all over the world will show itself to be both safe and effective. The Oxford vaccine is looking very promising, also the Imperial College one is looking good. I think there’s a good candidate in China and another in America.

Well said Luckygirl to both of your posts.
Our immune system is not as robust as we age either, so the elderly are particularly vulnerable to infection however “healthy” our lifestyle.

Immunisation is the biggest public health success of the last 60 years, and those who are anti vac, placing their trust in “pseudo science” are fortunate to be protected by herd immunity, when a large proportion of a population receives immunisation.

Researchers are indeed funded by big pharmaceutical companies - that is their investment, from which of course they expect a return. What else might we expect?

If research were fully state funded there would be no problem; but it isn't. We are better off with the system we have than nothing at all, which is the alternative, as there is no hope of state-funded research on the horizon.

Our bodies have the mechanisms if treated well, to have robust immune systems.

Would that this were so. We do indeed have immune systems and they do fight off infection; but they are not invincible and they fail us, and have failed us over thousands of years.

Go to any ancient graveyard and see memorials to the children wiped out by typhoid, TB, smallpox, diphtheria etc. etc. Go to the third world where vaccines are not available to all and ask them what they think. Vaccines have transformed our lives for the better; unless you think it is just fine for vast swathes of the population to be wiped out by illness.

In the great scheme of things we are no more or less valuable than any other living creature and just as expendable. Nature is not benign; we have to fettle for ourselves and use human ingenuity to help us survive.

I will be having the vaccine if one is developed.

biba70

maddyone. researchers are paid by big pharmas. I worked for years with research scientists who explained how commercial funding is causing all sorts of problems with safety. These vaccines a being rushed to make lots and lots of money.

That's why "red tape" is needed. The big pharma companies are acutely aware of safety and the usual claim is that they slow down innovation. What usually happens is that small labs work on specific projects, funded by big pharma, who are the only ones with the capacity to carry out the testing, production and marketing.

There was a case a few years ago when somebody (whose name I've forgotten) developed a treatment for cancer in a small lab and sold it on the internet. It was actually quite successful and he made loads of money, but eventually there were some complaints. He had bypassed normal safety trials and didn't have a leg to stand on. UKIP used to wheel him out every so often as an entrepreneur whose innovations were being thwarted by red tape.

I'm not at all anti-vax. However, I have no confidence that there will be a vaccination in the near future and I would certainly be cautious about having something which hadn't gone through usual trials. We all need to face the reality that other steps are needed to minimise transmission.