Covidiots!

As we don’t now the reasons they were on the flight and as flying is not illegal, then I don’t see the problem, they were the responsible ones and wore masks, let’s hope it protected them.

So no, I don’t think that they are responsible for any spike in cases.

I think you will find there was more to it, than just not wearing masks.
Apparently at Zante airport, passenger's phones were being held by agents to check boarding passes and once the plane had taken off, maskless passengers were moving freely around the plane, mixing and chatting with other passengers.

I should be flying out to Rome in a few weeks, but we have already cancelled our flights. Anyone who flies at the moment to go on holiday has only themselves to blame if they become infected. It's impossible to socially distance at check in or on plane. You are relying on others to be compliant and obviously some are not!

too many idiots go to these music raves and bring it home to their families. i have just got a nasty cold/virus. yes i wear a visor on public transport(due to i cant breathe through my nose(due to bone deformation)... but hey i still got this nasty virus . got myself a test kit just to make sure its not covid .but just goes to show you can pick anything up by touch...i usually wipe down the handles where i sit...yes i reckon we going to get a 2nd wave of the covid virus,,,

moggie I am really sorry to hear this hope you improve soon.
If you get a chance can you tell us where you get the test kit from, I like to be prepared and we are unlikely to get mobile test units where we are. thanks

Today in The Times there is an article on a study that links a refusal to wear masks with malevolent sociopathic traits, 'the so called dark triad of personality traits - narcissism, Machiavellian and psychopathy' !

16 cases are now related to this flight - it’s thought 7 of the passengers were positive on boarding and the other 9 have been infected since in Wakes from the original few. The OP is seriously misleading and missed out much info that was on the BBC ( and elsewhere) including accusations of the cabin crew not doing their job properly. Also passengers are complaining that there’s been too long a delay in their being notified.

H1954

Headlines on the BBC online news features an article where a woman condemns passengers on a TUI flight claiming they were behaving like idiots by not wearing masks. Seemingly she and her partner did where masks throughout the flight but are they any less responsible for any spike in cases than anyone else on that same flight? I think not!!!!!

Genuine question, what did that lady and her family do wrong? Is it because you think they shouldn't have travelled at all?

It’s not illegal to fly, but it is illegal to not wear a mask on public transport. An aeroplane is a method of public transport. What annoys me about it all is that the staff were unwilling to enforce the law. They tell a traveller quickly enough if their seatbelt isn’t fastened for take off. What’s the difference? It’s extremely annoying. This incident is the second I heard about last week, the other was a BA flight where people refused to wear a mask and the staff did nothing about it. In my opinion, if there’s no mask, that person needs to be escorted off the aeroplane by airport security. No mask, no fly, would be helpful in concentrating a few minds.

I think the OP only heard the words she wanted to hear and then not even in the right order. Completely missed the real issue for some reason I cannot begin to fathom

I agree maddy except I’d add that once the flight is airborne and passengers refuse to wear masks, the captain should announce that the police will be waiting on landing.

There was a lady on BBC Breakfast this morning who said that many passengers on that flight were not wearing masks or wearing them wrongly. She sat next to a man who wore his mask on his chin for the whole flight. One of the crew saw this but didn't tell him to wear it over his mouth and nose.
When the plane landed most of the passengers who were wearing masks took them off before they got off the plane.
This lady now has covid19 symptoms.

Absolutely suzie, the police should be there when the plane lands if passengers take off their masks and refuse to put them back on during the flight.
AGAA4, I saw that too. I don’t understand why passengers would pull off a mask because the plane has landed. I was under the impression from news reports that masks have to be worn in airports.
I must be a bear of very little brain because I don’t understand the reluctance to wear masks. I don’t know what the problem is. Do these people simply not like being told what to do? I also don’t understand why staff, on aircraft, on trains and buses, and in shops, don’t ensure masks are worn, and if the person won’t comply, security staff should remove the person. Doesn’t sound like rocket science to me, but something must be eluding me because I genuinely do not understand why masks are not worn, and why staff are unable or unwilling to enforce the law.

There are conflicting reports from passengers, one woman disputes the original complaint and says cabin crew were working well, with most passengers compliant.
It's difficult to get a clear story but it seems seven people got onto the plane who tested positive, but when or why isn't clear. The current total of people testing positive from that flight is 16.
Flying isn't illegal, the air line and holiday industry needs people to continue to fly but its sounding very scary.

I agree Iam, it is sounding scary. I know you’re going later this month, just take your masks and plenty of gel with you. You can also buy alcohol cleansing wipes from Amazon, so you could get some and use them to clean your armrests and the tray on your seat.
We were thinking of going to Zakynthos in late September, having already discounted France, but I’m not sure about it. I’m thinking the younger people who are said to be the ones testing positive won’t be travelling then, but I could be wrong. I could so do with a break, I’ve found the whole experience of lockdown and the lack of my normal life very difficult. I know others feel the same. A holiday would be so uplifting. I feel guilty for feeling this way because despite lockdown we’ve had everything we needed except normality. Enough food, enough of everything we needed, just a lack of normality. I have reminded myself to remember Anne Frank and others who truly were deprived of everything during WW2.

Exactly maddyone, the discomfort we are living through is nothing when compared to the trials our parents and grandparents experienced. Plus, we are not hungry or terrified bombs may drop on our homes, militia burst in etc.

If you decide to go to Greece, avoid the party islands. Avoid the small islands that have their own air port because that's where the younger people tend to go. I've PM you

.....and why staff are unable or unwilling to enforce the law.

Because its not the law. It's government guidance. They actually can't be a**ed to change the law.

If you choose to fly you are accepting the risk of catching the virus or of being quarantined but you also have a right to expect that other passengers will comply with distancing and mask wearing.

Blinko I believe it is law under the Public Health ((Control of Diseases) Act 1984

In my area of Wirral cases have increased because of the brainless hordes that gathered on the beach. The council reckon it's because of " increased testing ". My eye !
It'll never go away at this rate. Why are people so selfish ?

For those posters who state that shop assistants should ensure masks are worn. I would like to ask them if they would be prepared to be spat at, verbally and physically abused and all for the minimum wage?
My son has worked throughout lockdown to ensure people are fed. At the height of lockdown he often did 12-14 hour days. He is a very polite young man and always asked people to wear masks when they entered the shop. Unfortunately if they refused there was nothing he could do as calling the police every time someone refused to wear a mask was just not practical. He said that people refusing to wear masks came from ‘all walks of life’ including young and older people. Sadly, this is the kind of society we now live in.
Shop assistants and those people ensuring that the country was fed during lockdown have received no recognition whatsoever from the public unlike NHS staff and others.
Is it because they are low paid and not considered important enough? Even now despite all they have done for us during lockdown they are still being judged. Perhaps those people who are doing the judging could actually remove themselves from their cosy, safe environment and experience what it’s really like for people like shop assistants, bus drivers etc in the real world.
In relation to the original thread re not wearing masks on the plane. If people do not agree to wearing a mask they should not be allowed to fly in the first place. If they fail to wear their masks airport security should be meeting the plane on arrival. All aircraft crew can do is remind people of their responsibility to wear their mask and hope that common sense and conscience prevail.

If anyone is not cancelling holiday plans in Portugal. I’d like to reassure them and say that we have felt much safer here than I think we would in England at the moment. August has been more difficult but I hope it will improve again when all the English schools including private ones have gone back. It’s much less crowded for a start but the main point is that almost everyone is sticking to the rules. In fact in the early days DH was told off twice for not wearing his mask. Once in a shoe shop when as he went in the young girl in charge retreated to the back of the shop and told him rather diffidently to put his mask on, the second when he was about to pay in a small supermarket with always very well trained staff, for some reason he took off his mask as he was about to pay and was told (very politely ) in no uncertain terms to put it back on again.
Having said all that my grandchildren who hope to visit in late September won’t be coming unless there is an air bridge.

Cross posts with Gwnyeth’s and I totally agree with her point about shop assistants.

Jaxjacky

Blinko I believe it is law under the Public Health ((Control of Diseases) Act 1984

Ah, apologies, then, on that particular point. But still much of what comes from HMG re Covid19 does seem to be in the form of guidance, not necessarily law.