Gov. Uk tables of CV 19 - not all of them are frightening!!!

Whose facts are correct though?

growstuff

MayBee70

I find it rather irritating that it’s assumed that, because I’m taking Covid very seriously and am very concerned about the next few months I’m imprisoning myself in my home wailing and moaning and having a miserable time. Within the safeguards of me shielding myself as much as possible I’m having quite pleasant time and am feeling quite empowered and positive most of the time. I do get very angry at people not taking it seriously though.

You've explained very well how I feel too.

I feel more positive when I can control my life after knowing facts rather than feeling that I'm being fobbed off with fake optimism and cheerleading, which is how I feel when I listen to some of the government's spin.

Me to?

Jane10

And I've seen doom and gloom and headless chickening going on too- all based on social media interpretation of whats going on.

Two wrongs don't make a right!

And I've seen doom and gloom and headless chickening going on too- all based on social media interpretation of whats going on.

Who's talking about overreacting?

I'm sure if you had a slow leak under your sink, you'd be concerned and plan to do something about, without going into a blind panic. That's what I mean by being concerned. Unfortunately, I have seen too many examples on social media of people making excuses for the rise in cases and trying to explain them away as some kind of statistical aberration.

I'm not nearly as concerned as (some) others. The situation is more complex than just a reported rise in numbers conveys. Overreaction doesn't help the bigger picture.

Yeah, she's a grumpy old git, that growstuff!

Actually, Jane10, you sound as though you are concerned. The fools are the ones who think it's all over and don't need to protect themselves and those around them ... and don't seem to think anybody else matters either.

Jane10

Obviously I'm a fool. I'm taking sensible steps to protect myself and those around me.
Imagine having the temerity to disagree with growstuff!!

Jane don’t be upset. She even disagrees with me when I’m arguing the same point from the same viewpoint!

Rather good article on the BBC Website this morning. Those are words I never thought I'd write....but Nick Triggle seems to be pretty good at science reporting.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54064347

Obviously I'm a fool. I'm taking sensible steps to protect myself and those around me.
Imagine having the temerity to disagree with growstuff!!

In England, there were more reported cases in 10-19 year olds over the two weeks up to 30 August than there were in any age group apart from 20-29 year olds and 30-39 year olds.

That was before 10-19 year olds were back in classrooms, where social distancing is not possible.

It's all very well "blaming" young people, but on the other hand they're being forced to behave in a way which isn't acceptable outside the school gates. Only a fool wouldn't be concerned.

Tim Harford on Radio 4 More or Less now, discussing the latest figures.

It looks likely that higher numbers of cases are mostly amongst younger people who are less likely to be severely affected or die but are still infectious.

Also there is a at least a two or three week delay (sometimes much longer) between infection and serious illness leading to death. Most countries have only relaxed controls quite recently so it may be sometime before we can judge the effect.

These tables are interesting.

Coronavirus cases are surging again in the UK because “people have relaxed too much”, the deputy chief medical officer has warned.

Professor Jonathan Van-Tam said the British public should start taking the pandemic “very seriously again” or face a “bumpy ride over the next few months”.

He described the rise in cases to nearly 3,000 per day – predominantly among those aged 17 to 21 - as “a signal we have got to change this now”.

"People have relaxed too much," he said. “Now is the time for us to re-engage and realise that this is a continuing threat to us.”

www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-uk-cases-rise-threat-jonathan-van-tam-b405091.html

MayBee70

I find it rather irritating that it’s assumed that, because I’m taking Covid very seriously and am very concerned about the next few months I’m imprisoning myself in my home wailing and moaning and having a miserable time. Within the safeguards of me shielding myself as much as possible I’m having quite pleasant time and am feeling quite empowered and positive most of the time. I do get very angry at people not taking it seriously though.

You've explained very well how I feel too.

I feel more positive when I can control my life after knowing facts rather than feeling that I'm being fobbed off with fake optimism and cheerleading, which is how I feel when I listen to some of the government's spin.

Monica, thank you for your balanced post. Paddyann from what Monica has written, if you read it properly, I would hardly call her lucky!

The number of cases has almost doubled in four days:
Sept 2nd -1508 new cases
Sept 6th - 2988 new cases

If that continues, there could be 6000 cases a day by 10th Sept, 12,000 by 14th, and so on. But unlike the last time we had this kind of number, children are in school, pubs are open and people are being urged to return to work. The flu season is about to begin.

Am I being pessimistic or just facing the facts?

I find it rather irritating that it’s assumed that, because I’m taking Covid very seriously and am very concerned about the next few months I’m imprisoning myself in my home wailing and moaning and having a miserable time. Within the safeguards of me shielding myself as much as possible I’m having quite pleasant time and am feeling quite empowered and positive most of the time. I do get very angry at people not taking it seriously though.

What vaccines are there which help with the effects? I didn't realise such vaccines existed.

Do you have a link to information that the virus is mutating to a weaker form?

The scientific information I've seen says it's mutating, but very little and I haven't seen any evidence it's becoming less virulent.

re vaccines, good progress is being made on vaccines to help with disease effects but there is no preventative vaccine on the horizon. I have this on good authority

I also have information that the virus is mutating to a weaker form.

We go for the flu jap every year, maybe in years to come it will include something against Covid 19.

You're entitled to your views. I'm not frightened, I'm not full of doom and gloom. I just want facts.

Bye!

This is turning into a conversation for just us growstuff

This thread started with someone being positive and soon became negative; lots of "ah but...."

I shared an article that basically said "Guess what - good news! Waning immunity doesn't mean that vaccines won't work!" and your takeaways from it were that natural infection doesn't make you immune and that vaccines won't last. Well, that's not very cheerful, is it? That's not the point of the article!

I guess I'm just a bit fed up with always looking for the dark side when there is a bright side, and you don't have to go far to find it.