Boris speech to Parliament

A landlord said that they sell a lot of drinks after 10pm. He complained that he will lose money. Better than closing completely though. There will be table service only so no crowds around the bar.
We have gone up to level 4 so just hope these new measures will stop us getting to level 5.

LauraNorder, I think you got it pretty much right, scientist or not!!

Would love an answer on testing capability. We have labs that check our INR, PSA, check for diabetes, cholesterol levels, our poo, our cervical cancer checks and so much more every day. How do we magic up thousands more labs with qualified technicians to test for covid-19?
Is there any possibility that we could produce a kit, do our own swab, dip it in to the relevant liquid, it turns blue/green/red/whatever, if it's positive we register it, otherwise carry on.
Obviously I am asking from a position of total ignorance but hope some of you scientific or medical grans can throw some light on it.

MayBee70

He goes jogging and plays tennis. He can’t be that ill and tired.

The GP's advice after DH was unable to shake off an illness was to not keep trying to exercise to get rid of it.
Rest and allow the body to recover.

Grannynannywanny

Does anyone understand the science behind the 10pm pub curfew? I can’t fathom what difference it will make. Apart from the fact those intent on a pub “session“ can just start earlier surely if the virus is present amongst them it makes no difference if they leave the premises at 10pm or 11.30. They’ve either contracted/passed it on during the evening or they haven’t?

I read an interesting quote from a Dr Jennifer Cole, Biological Anthropologist, Royal Holloway University. I don't know who she is but what she says makes sense:

Closing the bars and restaurants at 10pm simply keeps people more sober. It gives them plenty of time for a meal, or a quick drink with friends after work, but means they are likely to be sober enough to remember to put on a face-covering on the train or bus home, and to be careful around elderly relatives when they get home.

So yes, those who really want to go out and get drunk will continue to do it, but for an good proportion of people it will make a difference.

I don't think there is any "science" behind this other than behavioural science.

Apart from the reference to Cummings, WWMk2, I can apply those comments to our FM here in Wales and whilst in Spain this summer, heard many similar complaints from Madrilenos on holiday on the Costa del Sol!

Not a scientist by any stretch but could the 10 pm closing help to lower the potential of viral load. More likely to go for a drink or a meal after 6 pm, relax for a few drinks then go home instead of hanging about for a couple more and getting a bit too relaxed and friendly. Same with being in someone's home, close contact, feeling safer so more relaxed about the rules, sharing facilities, ultimately more dangerous than being out and about with same few friends, shorter more rule abiding contact.
Happy to be corrected if I'm wrong.

As far as doing a good job, I would tend to agree if a few things had happened. Firstly that Johnson had taken lockdown measures at least a week earlier than he eventually did, secondly that they had not been so utterly incompetent at getting a test and trace system running. It still isn’t, and they have been told time and time again that it is the key to success in controlling the virus. Thirdly , Cummings should have been dealt with in a timely and correct manner and following on from that debacle I think the messaging over the summer was extraordinarily confused.

My opinion is that the message today was too light, I suspect that within a couple of weeks the situation will have to be tightened, but we will again have lost time to the virus.

MayBee70

Well, if he was suffering from long Covid he wouldn’t be doing either of those things.

No idea what ‘long Covid’ is!

Do you mean he might still be suffering from the effects of his illness?

Yes, he could be, but even if that is not the case, I can well imagine he feels tired out at the end of the day.

Nicola Sturgeon did say it didn’t appear to make sense but that it was limiting the amount of time that people were spending in that environment and was helping the pubs to stay open and protect jobs. Just part of a huge balancing act. I don’t understand why staff are only now being told to wear masks though. Should have worn them all along.

Does anyone understand the science behind the 10pm pub curfew? I can’t fathom what difference it will make. Apart from the fact those intent on a pub “session“ can just start earlier surely if the virus is present amongst them it makes no difference if they leave the premises at 10pm or 11.30. They’ve either contracted/passed it on during the evening or they haven’t?

LauraNorder

It's naive to think that health, education and economy can be separated. Such a fine balancing act, possible to please some of the people all of the time, all of the people some of the time and impossible to please the media and some gransnetters at all. I think the government is doing a good job with a horrendous situation.

Yes. Of course, that should go without saying, but it is the way the scales are tilted that causes the debate.

This time the scales are tilting towards the economy. Time will tell if it is the correct decision.

We know that SAGE have advised stricter measures, but I suspect that the Tory MPs have pushed for the economy.

Well, if he was suffering from long Covid he wouldn’t be doing either of those things.

MayBee70

He goes jogging and plays tennis. He can’t be that ill and tired.

He probably jogs and plays tennis to try and keep as fit as possible, and to help his weight loss.

We have no idea how tired he is by night, or how ill he feels.

We hear so much about how Covid has impacted on the nation’s mental health issues, I wonder how Boris’s is?

He has a lot more to worry about than most of us.

It's naive to think that health, education and economy can be separated. Such a fine balancing act, possible to please some of the people all of the time, all of the people some of the time and impossible to please the media and some gransnetters at all. I think the government is doing a good job with a horrendous situation.

He’s straining a sinew because he’s not up to the job: never was and never will be.

He goes jogging and plays tennis. He can’t be that ill and tired.

Boris looked ill and tired which is understandable. I think he is honestly trying to do his best to strike the right balance. I am not a Conservative but I can see a man straining a sinew when I see one.

MayBee70

I was slightly impressed by him until he responded to Keir Starmer’s supportive reply be getting all aggressive and defensive again. And then after listening to Nicola Sturgeon on Sky News and I realised that both DH and I were fighting back the tears; she was inspirational.

I felt the same as you on all these points MayBee70.

I was slightly impressed by him until he responded to Keir Starmer’s supportive reply be getting all aggressive and defensive again. And then after listening to Nicola Sturgeon on Sky News and I realised that both DH and I were fighting back the tears; she was inspirational.

Also pubs must close at 10pm. Not sure if these new measures will do much tbh.
Even with the new measures there are still a lot of people out and about, which the virus thrives on.

Riverwalk

Did I miss something, or is this all a bit of a damp squib?

Apparently the government was all set for a swift short lockdown, taking advise from SAGE, but there was an almighty row in cabinet between those who wanted to protect the economy and those who are concerned to protect the populations health.

The economy appears to have won out

Thanks for the summary Jaxjacky, so cross with myself, I thought that I had set record for 12:30 and would be able to watch when I finished work, but no I had set record for 2pm - hopeless case here!

If that's all he has to say, there really is no need to address the nation tonight.

biggin' himself up

Did I miss something, or is this all a bit of a damp squib?