Second national lockdown declared in France

I agree with Espee, I don`t really have an opinion on France, or other countries, other than I wish our Government would at least look at other ways of dealing with this..

I think inevitable for the UK,, hopefully not before Christmas.

We should be doing the same. What I don’t get is how it is safe for schools and non essential workplaces to stay open. Clearly some people are being thrown under the bus for the sake of the economy!

Jillybird

I wish more noise would be made on UK national news about the strict measures taken in other countries. It might make some of the 'hoax squad' or the 'I'm so tough I can beat it if I get it group' realise how lucky and mild the restrictions are here... (and stop moaning!)

I agree.

Lemongrove I wouldn’t want to the form filling stuff either but I honestly feel there has been no enforcement here from the
Police for example possibly because they haven’t been given the correct powers or from shops enforcing mask wearing fir similar reasons, I just feel those in power are too afraid to be unpopular if they take a strong stance.
Ive said it before much as I disliked her Thatcher Would have been a better leader in a pandemic.

Agree with Lucca, loads of 40 plus and 60/70’s tweaking rules to suit themselves and saying “ well I feel very comfy with what I’m doing “ no wonder we are in this mess !!

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We are in total lockdown in Wales, partly to keep visitors out, sorry though I feel for businesses which rely on tourism I totally support this even though our numbers are lower than most of the UK. Best chance we have of stopping the hospitals being overwhelmed and keeping the cancer, heart and other treatments going

Nothing much seems to work. I'm dreading the mass national migrations when students go home for Christmas then back to uni.

Miss Adventure wrote:

"They had very rigid lockdown the first time around.
I'm not sure if I'm making a point or not, but well.. it's worrying that they need a second one."

Does lockdown issue from the firebreaks principle?

A lockdown slows the spread to prevent it overwhelming care / health services. If the Cabinet had been forward thinking they could have locked England down for 2 weeks to cover half term. It can provide a bit of respite . Sadly too many Brits are not community minded or care enough about other people. We have become a very selfish nation where the Blitz spirit is non- existant.

I agree Grandmafrench that Macron is trying to appeal to the whole nation in what he calls "this war" against covid. The problem is there is trouble brewing in his tougher stance on radical Islam and I am not sure what effect that might have.

Think the form filling is a more of a culture thing lemongrove paper work and bureaucracy is a way of life here.

sodapop

Not quite as severe as the first one but difficult enough. Busy now downloading forms so we can shop or go out for an hour's exercise.

I wouldn’t ever want the UK to become like this, having to download forms to be able to do basic shopping/exercise,
Emailing the mayor every time an owner has to tend to her animals and being stopped by the police all the time.
In any case, that approach hasn’t worked for France.No matter what approach any country takes they are all in the same boat.

Esspee

I believe it is inevitable here in the UK. Too many people riding roughshod over the rules, particularly the young who feel their right to party overrides other people's right to be protected from illness.

Not just the young. It’s kind of “understandable “ for the young to disobey rules. However there are plenty over 40 who are disobeying, eg parents at school gates, and even older people doing the “we’ve got to die sometime” nonsense.

Be here soon, as the scientists are saying that the government strategy of tiers is not working.

It is a sad situation here. I have not gone out much for the last few weeks, that ment missing my DGD’s religious church service and the family celebration after. I had meals on wheels later but I did miss the family reunion. I will also miss another DGD’s birthday this next weekend but I have to think that I will be there for future years to celibate.

Here we must wear masks when outside however there are always a few that think they are not necessary. I live in a very small block of flats. We are all retired except one couple, my neighbours, who made it clear during a reunion, they don’t believe in lockdowns, as people must die at some time. You could have heard a pin drop with the silence that followed.

The hospitals are getting to breaking point, a tv reporter was in one and they asked one 45 year old man how he thought he caught Covid, he replied that he had his holiday in Italy.
One doctor in the south said that even though some of their section have Covid they are continuing to work with the Covid patients. I have full confidence in Mr Macron, form filling and mask wearing, which some think is hard, is a small price to pay.

This last year has been a big change in lifestyle for me, from working nearly full time in school, I am now sitting at home twiddling my thumbs, I have had to stop because of my age (70). I do work at the townhall and those classes will go onto zoom, as will my Pilates’ class I do. I just hope the fast Covid test becomes more viable in the next few weeks so the family Christmas can be saved.
As Sir Tom says ‘ Tomorrow is a good day’

I believe it is inevitable here in the UK. Too many people riding roughshod over the rules, particularly the young who feel their right to party overrides other people's right to be protected from illness.

Thanks for that grandma, and Ellianne previously, I am interested in how different countries and governments approach the crisis. My father is German so it's been interesting watching their approach.

Galaxy

What are peoples views on how macaron is handling the situation grandmafrench?

I think, as Ellianne has said, people are fairly accepting. He’s quick to admit mistakes but it’s hard to see anyone dealing with this much better. At least the Govt make announcements and don’t contradict them within hours. To have the French people raging and rioting (a French thing which makes me crazy) would be terrible now. Pres. Macron is appealing to the French nation by trying to stress that every one of us, together, needs to take arms, again, against COVID or we’re never going to reduce the deaths. We need to unite and be strong. Hope it makes a difference. He’s often proved fairly unpopular but has only been doing exactly what he was voted in to do! Go figure!

And, Madame, your cheeky little macaron reference has been duly noted ?

Agree with you Lucca.

The french love to produce paperwork.
This made me smile, I love France, I miss it. Spent a lot of time there in my youth.

When you read about having to fill in forms and police stopping people etc in lockdown it reinforces the fact that ours here was nothing like a proper lockdown ! And yet people moaned about it.

They also stop health systems from being totally overwhelmed.
I think this is Macron's main concern Bluebelle and hence the measures.

BlueBelle

How can lock downs work ? once you come out it bites again
It’s like a grizzly bear just standing outside your front door

They buy time. They don't work if the time isn't used to plan ahead and get the test, trace and isolate system to work. They also stop health systems from being totally overwhelmed. They need to be enforced if they're going to work.

Yes, Kamiso she can store the attestation on her phone but she will need to refresh it each time.
It says the site is being updated and to wait until announcements are made tomorrow by Macron. It is expected the new attestation might be different, so hold fire for the moment. The French love to produce more paperwork.