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Close the schools!

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GagaJo Thu 24-Dec-20 09:01:23

The Times yesterday reported that the infection rate for secondary pupils last week was 2,509 out of 100,000!! With the rate for primary school pupils close behind.

Rates of 300+ per 100,000 in the South East led to the emergency Tier 4 announcement at the weekend.

Rates among secondary school children are approx nine times this and primaries not far behind.

There can no longer be any conversation about schools remaining open. They need to close to all but key workers and the vulnerable and not reopen until the government has provided the money and means to make them truly ‘Covid secure’ or until enough people have been vaccinated.

How many deaths will we have in a months time when those infections have transferred to the elderly and vulnerable? How many more mutations will we have if the virus is allowed to carry on running through children?

It’s time to do what needs to be done. It’s tough and awful for everyone but it has to be done. The schools need to close.

So much for all those on here a few months ago accusing teachers of being lazy and scaremongering. Schools reopening have caused the new mutation, Christmas lockdown and the intro of Tier 4. Not to mention thousands of unnecessary deaths.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 03-Jan-21 18:54:55

So to clarify, Johnson’s going to toughen the rules, but before he does that he’s going to ask children, teachers and support staff from different households to gather in thousands of schools across the country to spread the virus

Jonathan Lis

Galaxy Sun 03-Jan-21 18:34:41

Local schools in my area announcing closures left right and centre. Ignoring Johnson completely.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 03-Jan-21 18:05:03

As a recovering cancer sufferer Monbiot is super careful but.....

George Monbiot
@GeorgeMonbiot
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Jan 2
As someone recovering from covid, picked up by my daughter from primary school in the last week of the last term, I know that schools aren't safe. Her contact with the infected person was brief and quite distant. But this new variant is super-infectious.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 03-Jan-21 18:03:27

Starmer has called for a national lockdown, I think he is right to do so.

MissAdventure Sun 03-Jan-21 18:00:19

Yes, yes, yes!!!
It's almost like a game of chicken; who will crumble first?

Lucca Sun 03-Jan-21 17:43:04

Vaccinate school,staff !!!

Galaxy Sun 03-Jan-21 11:53:52

All primary schools in London shut blondnana, and I believe some other local authorities have announced closures but in the rest of the country primary schools return tomorrow.

blondenana Sun 03-Jan-21 11:42:49

I thought yesterday it was decided after all for primary schools not to go back tomorrow after all
Boris has said this morning they should
Does anyone ever agree,or know what is really going to happen
What a shambles,I have no young children but if I had I think I would be tearing my hair out at this mess
If I had young children,they wouldn't be going back tomorrow
Boris says it might come to closing schools later on,
Just do it NOW,instead of messing aboutand messing people about

growstuff Thu 31-Dec-20 11:45:46

varian

Daisy Cooper makes the case for prioritising unpaid carers.

twitter.com/libdemdaisy/status/1344354299879583746?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

They're in Group 6, the same group as people at higher risk:

"Other groups at higher risk, including those who are in receipt of a carer’s allowance, or those who are the main carer of an elderly or disabled person whose welfare may be at risk if the carer falls ill, should also be offered vaccination alongside these groups."

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/948338/jcvi-advice-on-priority-groups-for-covid-19-vaccination-30-dec-2020.pdf

The guidance was updated yesterday.

varian Thu 31-Dec-20 10:29:55

Daisy Cooper makes the case for prioritising unpaid carers.

twitter.com/libdemdaisy/status/1344354299879583746?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

MayBee70 Wed 30-Dec-20 23:38:14

I’ve posted on Williamson’s (and Peston) Facebook pages telling them both how disgusting they are. That’ll show’em!

growstuff Wed 30-Dec-20 23:15:59

MayBee70

Did anyone see how rude Gavin Williamson was in parliament to Daisy Cooper when she asked about the possibility of vaccinating teachers. He accused her of not reading up on what he’d actually said. Then another (male) MP asked a similar question and he responded in a totally different way. The Speaker should, imo, have reprimanded him.

No, I didn't, but it doesn't surprise me. My opinion of him is that he's an over promoted, arrogant, clueless (rude word). I saw the results of a survey, in which he was the most unpopular cabinet minister - and there's some competition.

GagaJo Wed 30-Dec-20 23:12:34

Biscuitmuncher

If the hospitals are at breaking point why did they close the Nightingales? Why didn't they take up the offer of retired nurses and doctors? As long as I've known every single bad flu year the hospitals have struggled

No staff for Nightingales.

Who knows why they didn't take up the offer of retired nurses and doctors. Chris Witty is working in hospital at the weekend. Things are dire.

As another nurse friend of mine said, 'It is like a war zone.' She works in a covid ward.

MayBee70 Wed 30-Dec-20 22:58:57

Did anyone see how rude Gavin Williamson was in parliament to Daisy Cooper when she asked about the possibility of vaccinating teachers. He accused her of not reading up on what he’d actually said. Then another (male) MP asked a similar question and he responded in a totally different way. The Speaker should, imo, have reprimanded him.

Ellianne Wed 30-Dec-20 22:22:27

That's a scary image GagaJo. All those 17 or so ambulances stacked up aren't able to go out on further calls.

Biscuitmuncher Wed 30-Dec-20 22:13:49

If the hospitals are at breaking point why did they close the Nightingales? Why didn't they take up the offer of retired nurses and doctors? As long as I've known every single bad flu year the hospitals have struggled

Galaxy Wed 30-Dec-20 22:11:13

I am very cynical about how much people actually care about those who work in the NHS, I think they say they do but actually putting themselves out to show that, not so much. Clapping on the doorsteps is no effort whatsoever so it's easy. Sorry if that's a bit bleak.

GagaJo Wed 30-Dec-20 22:06:24

Biscuitmuncher, the hospitals are at breaking point. If things get any worse, we will have images like those from China last year, with patients on drips alongside bodies in hallways.

As a very wise friend of mine said today, 'Don't listen to politicians. Listen to nurses. Stay at home.'

Image is of Royal London Hospital yesterday.

growstuff Wed 30-Dec-20 22:06:05

Biscuitmuncher

What is the obsession with lockdown? ? Do people want to be as miserable as humanly possible. We had a lockdown all through November, Wales has been locked down forever and infections are still so high! Some other idea needs to be used

That's because people kept breaking the rules. From what I've seen/read, there hasn't been a properly enforced lockdown.

What a strange idea to think people want to be as miserable as humanly possible! hmm They should get a grip. people have been in solitary confinement in far worse conditions and survived.

Biscuitmuncher Wed 30-Dec-20 21:52:32

What is the obsession with lockdown? ? Do people want to be as miserable as humanly possible. We had a lockdown all through November, Wales has been locked down forever and infections are still so high! Some other idea needs to be used

Ellianne Wed 30-Dec-20 18:30:38

* Heads of primary schools have just now had notification which ones can't go back on January 4th.

Lucca Wed 30-Dec-20 18:09:14

Chardy

Sadly Retiredwell the govt hasn't got a clue about what state schools are like. And they certainly don't want to ask the people who actually have to work in confined spaces with little or no ventilation and 30 teenagers.

Spot on.

Nezumi65 Wed 30-Dec-20 18:07:09

I can’t believe they are relying on a test that Birmingham uni has shown is completely unreliable (missed 97% of cases there!).

Chardy Wed 30-Dec-20 17:55:23

Sadly Retiredwell the govt hasn't got a clue about what state schools are like. And they certainly don't want to ask the people who actually have to work in confined spaces with little or no ventilation and 30 teenagers.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 30-Dec-20 17:47:29

ExD our 5 yr old GC will wear a mask but we have three under three and their parents wouldn’t dream of making them wear a mask.

If a tiny is in their buggy the all over see through plastic rain cover is used.