For everyone who's bending the rules!

There are walk-in centres for minor ailments to take the stress off A&E's ?

“Cats and dogs don’t play an important role in the maintenance or transmission of the disease to humans,” says William Karesh, executive vice president for health and policy at EcoHealth Alliance, a nonprofit that tracks emerging diseases in animals. As a result, he says, “There’s no need for a vaccine from a public health standpoint.”

Science’s COVID-19 reporting is supported by the Pulitzer Center and the Heising-Simons Foundation.

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My daughters neighbour works at a hospital. I don't know her position but she has people coming and going in her house all the time. She has a young child too.

Jennifer people need to vent. It helps.

Agree Jennifer

Originally, it made a difference, or seemed to, that Britain and Sweden went into lockdown late, or not at all. Now Sweden has finally made a law that permits them to order people to stay at home as much as possible and to close shops, pubs, etc. Formerly, they did not have a law about epidemics and the precautions to be taken.

Looked at from another country, the British rules and restrictions seem to be unecessarily complicated, and I gather from gransnet that a lot of people are either ignoring them or confused about how they apply.

Both in Denmark and Germany, if you went into a shop without a mask on, you would be told to leave or put one on, but it seems you don't do this in the UK as many of you have been complaining about people not wearing masks in shops.

We have one set of rules that apply in the entire country: masks to be worn in supermarkets, pharmacies (the only shops open) on public transport plus railway stations and taxis, no schools, theatres, concert halls or pubs are open and church services have to be without singing and the congregation masked and sitting 6 ft from each other.

Both indoors and outdoors we have to keep 6 ft away from other people (except in our homes) and as of yesterday, parents have been asked to not sent the children to kindergarten or day care if it is at all possible to keep them at home.

These rules do seem to be working as there is a slight drop in the number of cases for the last week.

So stick to the rules, it does seem to help.

I can’t help wondering what the purpose of this thread was.
Is it just for people to come on here to say how nobody else is following the rules except them?

It is so easy to blame someone else, e.g. 'the Government' but it is so easy to be clever and have the answers just standing on the fence. We can all be brilliant dancers watching Strictly for instance, but put into practice - no such luck. I feel sorry for any country's politicians - whatever colour flag they fly - to have to deal with the awful crisis that covis has caused. If 100° of people did what they were asked to do it may help everyone to have a brighter outlook and future.

Sorry meant Marydoll

Marydoll

I have been shielding since March, but all efforts to keep safe and protect the NHS, went to pot on Monday night, when I was admitted to hospital after suffering a heart attack.

I was put in an acute medical ward until a bed could be found in the coronary care, high dependency unit. There wasn't a single bed available in the whole hospital.
When I said I was shielding, the nurse in charge said there was nowhere to put me and no possibility of me continuing to shield, she was powerless to do anything about it.

The technician carrying out my heart scan was in tears, saying she hadn't signed up to put her life on the line.

So I am in total agreement with you Hetty

Hetty, I hope you are OK now

I think not closing borders is a major factor, and can’t really understand the logic behind it. We are an island, and should have been able to keep it out.
But I think people are looking for ways round the rules.
I live along side a park. We’ve become an exercise destination. There are so many people up here it’s ridiculous. People are driving here, the roads all around us are full, if you have to go out, you’ll be lucky to park when you get back. People are coming with picnics and staying for hours.
Everyone wants to go out and meet people. But just for now I wish they’d stay in.
We need to give the nhs our support.

Theories like this with totally unsubstantiated, detailed evidence could a real backlash against animals. Care must be taken as comments like this could be harmful to innocent animals.

A few hefty fines might help and lots of publicity about those breaking the rules. It worked for us. Are they really allowing people to attend church ? Find that incredible, what is wrong with Zoom?

People not breaking the rules. 1 Friends who work in supermarkets will tell you very differently. Despite restrictions as to how many are allowed in at a time it becomes a free for all once they're inside. Social distancing? No. And are the supermarkets quieter now? No chance. 2 The bolt from London just before it went into Tier 4, oh yes. Thanks for bringing it to the rest of us. 3 The mass entertaining over Christmas and New Year, oh yes, it happened. 4 This is not a lockdown like No 1, this is a Take A Chance. And those of us who have to take extreme care sit quietly indoors waiting for the vaccine.

People still ignoring rule. With ground being frozen hard went for a walk in my local woodland park yesterday. (Normally out of bounds due to muddy cycle tracks). Could not believe the size of groups meandering about. Allowed to meet with 1 other persons outdoors. On a path and seeing a group of 5 adults 3 children coming towards me I decided I would have to go down a slippy banking to avoid them. One of the group called to me saying it looked very slippy but it didn't matter which way I went everywhere was the same. I just called back the path he was on wasn't covered in frost but I was avoiding the crowd of people he was with as there was no way I'd get past them with any social distancing. No reply and they all went very quiet.

spookwriter23. so she came on Loose Women show of all places did she! not on the main news then!

Our vicar has closed the church. I think it has been left up to the vicars to decide what they do ( C of E anyway), for the moment. I think it would be wiser for them all to close for the time being.
I’m not sure that there is evidence to suggest that the greatest spread has come from supermarkets!! That’s a bit to of a scaremongering comment, I think - where have you got your facts from?

You wouldn't think we were all in lockdown being round here. We live at the back of a By-Pass and I have been looking forward to less traffic noise. I really do wonder where everyone was going yesterday, just normal traffic and not even a working day. We went for a local walk as Boris allows for some fresh air and exercise and we both commented on how many cars on the road still.

Best wishes for a quick recovery from your horrible experience, Marydoll

As you say, places of worship in Scotland are closed and so are garden centres and homeware shops. So far the sky has not fallen in. There is talk of restricting click and collect too. I agree with those who think a firmer lockdown is required to let the NHS recover. It is much easier when there is a blanket rule that everyone should follow rather than a bit of this and a bit of that so that everyone is confused.

BlueSky

GagaJo at this stage your suggestion unfortunately seems to be the only way out, while waiting for people to be vaccinated.

It surely would also make vaccinations easier and faster. Less traffic, less footfall, safer for medical staff to travel around, to and from work.

Thoughtless people are only a part of the picture. What we're looking at now is partly the result of whatever happened just about three weeks ago ie people Christmas shopping for gifts in towns (not everyone has online access) and long supermarket visits for Christmas food. If you combine that with a ferociously infectious version of the virus it does a lot to explain this massive jump in numbers. I am so very glad that my daughter in law is now on maternity leave from her nursing job. Also, please don't forget that there are very many people whose jobs have remained unaffected by this pandemic. They've been vulnerable because they've been travelling, possibly on public transport, because they had no choice. They've also been exposed to infected colleagues who've come into work because what they do is essential - like my son in law's firm which produces animal feed for pigs, chickens etc. We can all buy the food we want because the food supply chain is being well maintained, possibly at the cost of some employee's health.

This thought will be unpopular, close schools!
Around here (ie in our street) the two people who have caught it were infected by their children. The children were both asymptomatic and at different schools but tested positive, one parent was hospitalised.
Schools should not have been opened without more safety measures, children should stop running around maskless and mixing with strangers.

I think Churches and garden centres should be closed as not much to do in gardens this time of year. Also think large shops and supermarkets should only be allowed to sell essential items. I was stood in the queue for M &S and people were browsing in the clothes and home section.

GagaJo at this stage your suggestion unfortunately seems to be the only way out, while waiting for people to be vaccinated.

Thanks Marydoll for clarification (hope you’re feeling better, by the way). I am not surprised that supermarket workers are vulnerable as they are with each other all day. I wonder, though, about the customers? If we social distance, wear masks, be prepared to wait our turn to get what we want from the shelves, then the risk should be low. I try and get in and out as fast as possible but remain amazed/annoyed by the number of people who treat it like a day out and block and the aisles, completely unaware of anyone else’s presence. Last time, a toddler out with his dad ran riot with his mini-trolley while dad wandered about looking at his phone. I find MandS the most Covid-aware but can’t do all the shopping there as too pricey so only an occasional top up unfortunately.