For everyone who's bending the rules!

But it did work because the r rate came down.

Jaxjacky

We have a large supermarket locally that some people are now boycotting because of the numbers of people, lack of distancing, lack of masks and families shopping together. Shops like The Range and Home Bargains are open, I don’t see them as essential. The first lockdown allowed one hour of exercise per day, fewer people about and it was clear, so no debate. We need a proper lockdown again.

But it didn't work last time did it even though far more people were compliant. If it had worked we wouldn't need another one.

I have read that Japan have identified a different variant.
Nothing much is known about it yet.

MOnica. I agree with your previous post. I’m sure we need to look outside the box as to how people are catching and transmitting this virus. I know it’s more contagious but something doesn’t add up.

welbeck

and still some people insist on their right to walk to the village every day because they prefer to buy produce every day.
others say london hosps are not overwhelmed. wonder why mayor khan declared a major incident then. guess they'll say it's part of a grand conspiracy or something.
there's no reasoning with stupid, or selfish, arrogant.
take care Marydoll, that must have been a shocking experience in itself quite apart from the medical condition that took you there.

For goodness sake, why shouldn’t someone walk to the village everyday, I believe we are allowed to exercise once a day. Are you saying that this person is stupid etc, that’s a bit harsh and uncalled for and smacks of hysteria, get a grip!!!!

The person hadn't displayed any symptoms themselves.

Elegran it came from scientists in Australia who'd tested someone in November last year and was still found to test positive after quarantining.

Thank you Nannysprout and all those who are working despite all that is going on around us. Love to all. Keep safe.

NanaDH you have my sympathy and my greatest respect. What you and you colleagues are enduring is herioc and I hope when all this is over you too will get the recognition you deserve. Supplying food to the population is a very important and vital job and I would like to give you my heartfelt appreciation ❤. Also let's not get hysterical and start pointing the finger at the poor pets, particularly cats. From what I've read from reliable vetinary sources we are more likely to pass covid onto our pets than they are to us. At the most extreme they could pass it on to us if we stroke them after they have been stroked with someone with covid and even then its quite unlikely. Get a grip everyone this will get better and we all need to play our part and take responsibility for ourselves and give love and to support to those around us that need it. Lets not get nasty and point judgemental fingers at each other. Flu and cold type viruses are at their height this time of year and this one is new and virulent we just need to keep our nerve and have faith it will get better.

Kandinsky

Stop blaming the people. This government is 100% to blame for not closing our borders at the start. We were put in lockdown, whilst all & sundry from all over the world were allowed in. We’re the worst affected country in Europe - I wonder why?
Stop blaming Brenda from down the Road who waves to her friend whilst out shopping for food. Blame this government who have put the economy before lives.

You can’t keep borders closed forever.

What about the uk nationals who brought it back from skiing holidays?

It is the people not listening to govt advice that do most of the spreading

Their are a few lovely people who thank us and it does really make our day. Thank you all for considering all the people that service us all daily.
Writing to their branch or company means an increase in what is called customer services, which is still lower than complaints because people still love to complain? Because their favourite food is not available!

Not by meNanaDH . I applaud you and make sure I thank my checkout person every time. ?

Steph63 saw an interview on TV the other day of a lady who said she didn’t need the vaccine as The Lord would protect her, maybe faith and a little belief in science would be good hand in hand.

I work in a supermarket and have worked constantly since March. Masked and sanitised, Customers are shocked when I tell them I am the biggest risk to them !! I have been in a restricted area with hundreds of people a day! I spend time with colleagues, who have also been exposed to the virus.
We try to keep ourselves safe but customers constantly ignore us, come to close, get angry when we ask them to move away and complain that we ask them to keep their distance. We are invisible to them. We feel sad and forgotten.

steph63

yes, it's faith that we need to keep us going...most people no longer go to church because they may not be Christians any longer. I can remember when Christianity was more important to British citizens. You could social distance in church, yet many people go to the massive box stores and grocery
stores, but God forbid should you set foot in a Church.

Why should people set foot in a church if they are not believers?

What is a box store?

Baggs, people have as much right to exercise, as I have. It's actually good to see people out exercising, when they usually drive.
I'm not exactly fleet of foot and they only way to avoid them was to walk in the middle of the main road. Knocked down or catch Covid? I wonder.? ?

Anyway, I'm not allowed out again, so its all academic.

Baggs, do think lack of social distancing may play a part in the rise? Or is social distancing a waste of effort?.

I've believed in social distancing to avoid picking up infections all my adult life, mdoll. I just don't think it always works. It depends on the infection for one thing, on people's differing immune responses for another, and then we have to remember that we are social animals and social distancing among social animals is a weird concept. In short, it's imperfect and it's difficult to do consistently and effectively.

I'm sorry you had to give up your walk.

yes, it's faith that we need to keep us going...most people no longer go to church because they may not be Christians any longer. I can remember when Christianity was more important to British citizens. You could social distance in church, yet many people go to the massive box stores and grocery
stores, but God forbid should you set foot in a Church.

I think we hve to consider the possibility that the new virus transmits through a vector other than just aerosol between indicviduals.

The illness has zoonotic origins. Mink in Denmark got it leading to a mass slaughter of 10s of 1000s of animals. It has been found in cats. Could it be through animals. could it remain infctious and in the air far longer than the original, could it be more transferable by touch.

Is our mental and blinkered belief that transmission is always other people not obeying the rules (not us of course we would never do such a thing), I mean me doing......., wouldn't cause transmission.

Isn't it time we considered what other ways this disease could now be being transmitted?

Yes - you know who you are. There are so many NHS staff off sick right now - don't expect anything like a 'normal' level of service, should you need it:

I know, and one of them is my DN.

However, I have to travel 30 miles (and back) to an NHS hospital to pick up a prescription. No, they will not post it.
I'd like a walk so a friend suggested I could combine fetching the prescription with a climb up a nearby mountain.

Countryfile is on at the moment urging us to get out into the countryside .

Autumnrose If everyone was keeping their distance, wearing a mask whenever they are outside their own home, washing their hands, and avoiding crowds and parties, hugs and kisses, then the people you speak of who have the virus without any symptoms couldn't pass it on to anyone else. We all have to assume two things if we want to minimise the spread:-

1) That anyone we are in contact with could have it without symptoms, and give it to us.
2) That we may have it without symptoms, and give it to anyone we are in contact with.

If instead we assume either that because we feel fine, we don't have it, or that because we have some kind of magic force field around us, we won't catch it, then we are helping to maximise the spread.

Those who are not a part of the solution are a part of the problem.

Don’t mean to be contentious , just tired of those that post and run .

You’ve gone very quiet Hetty58?.

EllanVannin Where did you hear that people who contract CoVid are infectious for three months? Are you sure it wasn't that the evidence that they have had the virus is still there after three months, or even that they still have antibodies for three months? I have never seen it suggested that contacts should self-isolate for as long as that.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention say that "Available data indicate that persons with mild to moderate COVID-19 remain infectious no longer than 10 days after symptom onset. Persons with more severe to critical illness or severe immunocompromise likely remain infectious no longer than 20 days after symptom onset."
www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/duration-isolation.html

Kim19: I agree with you about Keir "Captain Hindsight" Starmer on the Andew Marr show - why on earth was he not wearing a mask, given all the bitching he has been doing about government policy re the virus? If Matt Hancock attended via Zoom then why did he not do the same?

Everyone is an expert AFTER the fact - ooh this/that/the other should have been done quicker/better/blah blah. Very few countries have handled the pandemic well - barring Austrialia and New Zealand (both with very small populations to deal with) all the others are Asian totalitarian/authoritarian states and have done well because their draconian policies have been meekly accepted by their people. The army on the streets in the UK would cause riots - which is precisely why the government have not done this. The army have been utilised in the best way by using their excellent logistical capabilities to assist with the vaccine rollout. We would not be in this mess if people had just followed the bloody rules instead of bending them to suit themselves. I don't blame the government - I blame the selfish t**ts who think they are somehow exempt!