For everyone who's bending the rules!

I remember commenting to my husband around December time when all the crowds were out shopping in the Regent Street and other shopping centres, then after Christmas when people were queuing for the sales that we would have to suffer more Covid cases about now, but some people thought it was still O.K. to carry on with their lives as if there was no pandemic, in my opinion that is the cause of our problems now.

There are photos online today of lots of people out walking on beaches and in public places who seem to think the rules don't apply to them.

Baggs, as we are in strict lockdown here in Scotland, I wondered how the virus is still spreading at such an alarming rate. What else can we do? Any suggestions? It's a genuine question.

Blinko

^The sun brought out people in their droves, crowds, large groups in no way related, nobody wearing a mask.^

You don't have to wear a mask or face covering outdoors... Just saying.

And maybe we should. DD who lives in Thailand says EVERYONE wears a mask when out in public as well as in shops etc. And they are dealing with the pandemic infinitely better than we are.

You only have to look at the posts on here over the past 9 months asking for peer sanction to "bend" the rules because the posters feel that they have "special circumstances". The virus does not ask if it's fair or convenient to infect. I live alone and have followed the guidelines to the letter, not difficult to understand if you want to, checking any changes as they are issued. This is not because I am "Holier than thou" but because I am FRIGHTENED, both for myself and for everyone else. I have shopping delivered two weekly, booking my slots up to a month in advance. I buy enough fresh for 2 weeks and freeze for the second week. My poor cat is now an indoor cat, I value her for my only company and will not allow her to roam in case anything happens to her. Litter trays are not pleasant, but better than risking her. It is really annoying to see on tv and hear of the many who are not complying with the rules, and are obviously making this pandemic worse. It is very easy with hindsight to blame the government for missed opportunities to control the virus, but with no precedent for such an occurrence, they have nothing but scientific advice to work with, and even the scientists cannot agree on the best action to take. The only obvious fact is that if you don't mix with others, you don't have the opportunity to catch it from anyone. I feel sorry for the many that have to work out of the home, but even they can limit their interaction just to their co-workers.

So, when I see numbers continuing to rise daily, I ask myself, how on earth can numbers be still rising, if everyone is following ALL the rules.

Numbers might be still rising because we can’t control the virus, just as we can’t control flu virus or common cold virus. It isn’t necessarily anyone’s fault that the numbers are still going up.

Another day ; another hectoring post from the OP . She spent a good amount of time lecturing me on going out for exercise twice a day. I had posted that I have Arthritis, and also walked to help my mental health re dealing with my DH Alzheimer’s, bu so great was her zeal no matter. What a pity she hadn’t clued up on Govt rules on exercise where it clearly states ‘if you are required to maintain your health, ie exercising several times a day _ then you can do so’ I am always careful to maintain a much greater distance than 2 metres if I do rarely see anyone! So I think the OP should resign her post as unofficial arbiter of the rules, and read up on them instead!,,

Very good and so fair, Baggs.

We live in a holiday area, police now waiting in car parks and coming down heavily on people driving 200 miles down to us for 'a nice day out'. Huge fines for all occupying the cars involved, not just the drivers - and apparently (from what they are saying now) discussions currently going on about imprisonment if people won't listen.
Whatever you think about Priti Patel, she is now backing the police trying to enforce the rules.

My friend, who is a bit lax in ‘obeying the rules’ had a visit from the police last night because someone had reported that she is having too many visitors. It has really upset her, not because she bends the rules, but because a neighbour has reported her!

The sun brought out people in their droves, crowds, large groups in no way related, nobody wearing a mask.

You don't have to wear a mask or face covering outdoors... Just saying.

My main aim is to stay alive, until we get out of this pandemic, and will do what it takes. I am with you on this Marydoll. Anytime I have had what I regard as a risky encounter, I start counting the days. If I get past 5 days, I relax a bit.

I think that there must be another vector involved in its rapid spread other than being more infectious and aerosol spray. We know that covid is a zoonotic disease; that Denmark slaughtered its farmed mink population after the disease was found on the farms and it has been found on occasion, in the cat population. Could this vector be an animal that has a symptomless version of the illness and can pass it to humans; cats, dogs, guinea pigs or any small animal that is handled. Just an idea

Just an idea M0nica ?
Maybe but not a very good one - unfounded, unnecessarily sensationalist, if it wasn’t such a bad pun, I would say “barking”. .

Monica, if you saw Wandsworth Common yesterday, you would eat your words. I drove to take my grandson some bolognese sauce I had made for him. He lives in sheltered accommodation due to mental health issues & this was a treat for him. The sun brought out people in their droves, crowds, large groups in no way related, nobody wearing a mask. Crowded on a pavement to cross the road - I’m sorry but this was a total flagrant disregard of any ‘rules’. I was so upset & angry so how can you say people are following guidelines? They are not or this evil virus would be contained.

Marydoll
“So, when I see numbers continuing to rise daily, I ask myself, how on earth can numbers be still rising, if everyone is following ALL the rules.”
Agree Marydoll.

I think just blaming other people breaking the rules is an easy way out and a way of wrapping one self in the comfort blanket of self awarded virtue.

Monica, I can assure you that I'm certainly not guilty of the above. I personally find your remark judgemental and offensive.

My main aim is to stay alive, until we get out of this pandemic, and will do what it takes, even if it has meant shielding since March.
I have been advised that If I catch Covid, I will most certainly die. Rescusitation or ICU will not be an option for me.
I'm a fairly stoic and resilient person and certainly not looking for any sympathy on this thread, but the fact that I will now need to have Covid tests, to make sure I haven't caught Covid in hospital has caused me some degree of anxiety.

So, when I see numbers continuing to rise daily, I ask myself, how on earth can numbers be still rising, if everyone is following ALL the rules.

The only two people I know who caught Covid did so from their grandchildren, who incidentally showed no symptoms. We were all very surprised as they don’t go out, not even for walks. Luckily they made a complete recovery even though they are in their 80s.

It’s not pets it’s human behaviour. I have just returned from an essential shopping trip at Marks and Spencer. I live on my own and have not been able to secure a supermarket delivery slot as yet. I was relieved to see that M&S wasn’t too busy. I had made a list in advance so that I could get in and out as quickly as possible. Going round I noticed a family of four, parents and two mid to late teens. They were leisurely strolling round. It was clearly an excuse for a Sunday family afternoon outing. I’m pleased that I had a long walk home with heavy shopping because I feel really angry when I think about the NHS.

Re precautions, I followed the ambulance to A & E last month when DH was transferred from his nursing home. When I was finally admitted by a nurse, I asked if I needed to wear an apron, gloves etc. She said that my mask was fine. He was finally admitted to a ward where he died the following morning. I sat there the whole time, still with only my mask on. I was surprised that they weren't being more cautious. I was so glad though that I was allowed to be there.

Theoddbird

MOnica you will have people taking their beloved animals to be put down by saying such stupid things. People depend on their animals for company. You have nothing to back your words up so suggest you ask for your comment to be deleted!

Disagreeing with someone's opinion is not a good reason for their post to be deleted.

Having read M0nica's post I'm not sure it even counts as an opinion. It is a wondering, a questioning, an exploration of possibilities based on limited information — an idea, as the writer of it says.

Not liking an idea because it makes you feel uncomfortable doesn't mean it's a bad idea.

Which is not me saying it's a good idea either. It's an idea that might be worth investigating though.

The only two people I know to have caught Covid both caught it in hospital. Both have since died. They do not seem to be prioritising front line NHS staff. That seems idiotic to me.

MOnica you will have people taking their beloved animals to be put down by saying such stupid things. People depend on their animals for company. You have nothing to back your words up so suggest you ask for your comment to be deleted!

Marydoll, how are you ? Get well soon !!

My elderly mother currently in hospital was due to be discharged last week to go to a nursing home. She was tested for Covid last Sunday and Monday the test came back positive. Soon as they knew I was told they woukd be sending her to quarantine in an assessment care home several miles away. I asked why but was told to quarantine. So far no bed available n she remains in a Covid ward at hospital. I can’t understand why with Covid going into a care home to quarantine. My DF died in a care hone in April while staying for respite care.

Get well soon Marydoll!