Joan Bakewell vaccine legal challenge

Alegrias1

Headline : In Europe, more countries delay second vaccine doses or mull plans to do so.

www.nytimes.com/2021/01/04/world/second-covid-vaccine-delay.html

It wasn't the government who made this decision it was the MHRA. How many times?

p.s. I'm much younger than Dame Joan and I love knitting by the fire.

Quote from this very thread about other countries doing the same as the UK or thinking about it.

No other country has made that decision- and you have to wonder why. It does not make it wrong- but it is important to look at advice from many groups of specialists.

it is indeed a difficult one, I agree.

But I admire Joan for challenging the decision and getting other opinions from specialists on board.

Biba So, political reasons to deflect from criticism of the handling of the crisis - or real medically based decision. Medics in the UK certainly disagree, and medics all over the world even more so

It was actually Tony Blair’s idea, and, as has been said many many times on here, the government acted on the advice of the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation.
Do you have a problem with that?
Do you think the U.K. government should have ignored the committee’s recommendations?
The fact that medics disagree is actually a good thing. If no one ever questioned anything, no progress would ever be made, and patients would suffer because entrenched ideas would never be challenged.

flapping, even ..

Callistemon

^p.s. I'm much younger than Dame Joan and I love knitting by the fire.^
I told my friend I'd taken up crochet and she exclaimed with horror "I'm not that desperate yet!"

Nought wrong with that- as long as it is a choice, and not because this is expected of you because you are too old for anything else. Mind you, knitting is just awful for arthritic hands?

I took up crochet and embroidery at the ripe old age of 19- stuck on my back in traction for months on end. No TV, no internet, no mobile in hospital in 1970? Hated it at school- but it 'saved me' then. Knitting the continental way, with falpping needles was just not possible in bed flat on your back either. But we digress.

Callistemon

^Truly surprised this last sentence came from you Lucky. So ageist really^.

Did you really take that seriously, biba?

??? ?

Ah, excellent point. Yes, I did- but if you say it was in jest, I am happy. Thanks.

p.s. I'm much younger than Dame Joan and I love knitting by the fire.
I told my friend I'd taken up crochet and she exclaimed with horror "I'm not that desperate yet!"

So does DD.

Headline : In Europe, more countries delay second vaccine doses or mull plans to do so.

www.nytimes.com/2021/01/04/world/second-covid-vaccine-delay.html

It wasn't the government who made this decision it was the MHRA. How many times?

p.s. I'm much younger than Dame Joan and I love knitting by the fire.

Truly surprised this last sentence came from you Lucky. So ageist really.

Did you really take that seriously, biba?

??? ?

Luckygirl

Anything that puts one person off having the vaccine is a bad thing and impacts on all of us.

She should take up knitting and settle down quietly by the fire.

Truly surprised this last sentence came from you Lucky. So ageist really.

Not one single country, I believe, has chosen to ignore the researchers/manufacturers guidelines and delay second dose. Why?

So, political reasons to deflect from criticism of the handling of the crisis - or real medically based decision. Medics in the UK certainly disagree, and medics all over the world even more so.

I am glad Joan has taken action.

That was next on my list.

At least you didn't go for "poodle" MissA

She should take up knitting and settle down quietly by the fire.

Luckygirl LOL!

Pedal. That's the one.

Peddle. Not paddle.

The thing is, we have (eventually!) got off to a flying start, but if anyone's foot comes off the paddle for a minute it could end up such a mess - and I'm afraid that is what will happen, once the first wave are "done".

Someone has to keep track of who had what and when, people reaching the upper and lower age ranges, deaths, moves, refusals, new cases, recurrences, changes in mobility, people becoming clinically vulnerable when they weren't before...

See Algerias told you I was by nature a misery guts.

I can understand how you feel, MissAdventure and your reasoning.

Thank you.

For Miss A

I suspect her motives.

The Government is certainly not above criticism on many counts but in this instance they have taken advice from the scientists and virologists who know what they are talking about.

I do hope she is not doing this for political reasons and holds up the programme for us all.
I'm not sure what her Party Leader's view is on her actions.

Yes, I do hope it all works out, but ten years of frustration has taught me to be cautious of embracing how marvellous it's all going to be.

My girl never got to do any of those things people do when they're dying., like memory boxes and so on.

Every single day of the last few months was one cock up after another, admin wise.

I'm sorry to hear about your daughter MissA. My story doesn't compare but I took my local doctors surgery to the ombudsman because one of the doctors missed a serious problem I had and I ended up in hospital, and with a long term condition that still affects me 9 years on. One of the receptionists lied to me, that was proven and she was disciplined.

I'm sure there will be hiccups in the rollout and that unfortunately some people will be missed. But they are off to a good start and so we have to hope that this will continue.

I've not so much got a problem with the delay, but firstly, is it so unreasonable to ask for data?

My second reason is that the last few years of my daughters life were made even harder by admin mistakes, prescriptions going missing, turning up to appointments to be told she wasn't in their list, Macmillan nurses who never turned up.

She missed out on her only and last chance of a clinical trial due to a letter being overlooked.
I watched her with a phone in each hand; her hospital and the Marsden both denying it was their "fault".

I just wonder how on earth people are going to be recalled in a timely manner, when some have had one, some two vaccinations, people possibly catching covid a second time..