Joan Bakewell vaccine legal challenge

She is questioning the safety of a longer wait.

The important thing is when lockdown will be lifted.
That isn’t going to happen until hospital admissions, deaths, and new infections fall dramatically from the present levels (I’m aware that new infections have .started to fall)
That’s not going to happen until as many people as possible have had their first dose.

Does Joan Bakewell really think it’s that important that a relatively small number of people have had their appointments changed? Seriously?

Essex2020 your partner won’t be eligible to receive the Astra-Zeneca vaccine because she doesn’t need it, she will get the second dose of the Pfizer vaccine after 12 weeks, and the residents will get their second dose of the Astra-Zeneca vaccine 12 weeks after their first.

I can't find any info apart from one dose giving "good protection".
Also, do the different brands give more or less protection?

The first vaccination gives up to 90% protection to all those receiving it. The second just increases that figure to 95%

As I said in a previous post Surely better 2 million people get one jab than 1 million get 2.

The vaccine is being given with only one dose to begin with in order to give as many people as possible some protection and thus reduce hospital admissions., This is not a problem as far as I am concerned - it makes sense; and on the programme I listened to the other day scientists were endorsing this plan.

Is Joan Bakewell a virologist, an epidemiologist? No Ignore her.

My partner works on the front line in a large care-home setting She had her first jab of the Pfizer vaccine on December 20th, and then -like so many others- had her appointment for the second jab cancelled just 48 hrs before attending.
Whilst it is to be confirmed, it is widely believed that the vaccine to be rolled out in care homes will be of the Oxford type due to the greater flexibility regarding storage and transportation/timing issues.
My partner has no idea whether she will be eligible for this vaccine of if there is any question of compromise in having it (can one OD on vaccine).
As things stand, it would appear that my partner -and any other individual in the same situation- could be the last care-home workers in the UK to be fully vaccinated!
Any clarification offered on this element of the discussion over the Government's policy of the twelve week postponement would be greatfully received

Chardy should be my apology, somehow people making sweeping statements always get me somewhere that hurts and I respond before I think.

Sorry M0nica, perhaps a 'solely' or 'only' preceding 'on TV/radio' would have made my sentiment crystal clear. But I expect you knew what I meant.

Chardy The logic of what you said means that you do not accept the riots at The Capitol in Washington took place, last week or that COVID exists, although you are not alone there. You do not believe earthquakes occur when they do or, that the food parcels sent to children were inadequate, not that Marcus Rashford (who's he?) is speaking up for them

I think the nonsense some are propogating on here that it is a government decision should be put to bed once and for all.

They are following the guidance of the experts, Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) and the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA).

Nobody can be critical of the government in this case (or any government) for following the scientific advice from the people who are more likely to know what they are talking about.

Anniezee the majority of people local to me, who had their first jab before Christmas, have had their second, maybe because they were given that second date at the first.

I would love to know what the lie was Chardy.

I complained to the BBC a few years ago because I heard a blatant lie from one of their senior correspondents. I know it was a lie because I was watching a speech live and the report said something entirely different to what the speaker said. The response from the BBC was that the reporter was just doing his job.

I listened to a BBC 'senior correspondent' this morning talk in a very biased way about something that I know a bit about (including what I know is a lie). I don't think he knew it was a lie, it was just superficial journalism. I will never believe anything I see/hear on TV/radio again.

If the Government is confident that we it is safe for us to wait for the second jab, how come Stanley Johnson (Boris Snr) has receive both of his already? Surely not nepotism!

3Nanny it's not the government that has changed the advice on the second dosage but the Regulator as the Oxford scientist on the One Show last night explained.

Alegrias1

Excellent discussion about the efficacy of one dose right now on More or Less on Radio 4. Includes why the 12-week interval is a good idea.

Such a good Radio programme. “How to Vaccinate the World” was really informative.

We aren't hearing so much talk about 'following the science' are we? And seemingly fine for the Govt to 'flex' the rules when it suits them but not for anyone else...

Of course people are afraid that after 12 weeks there will still not be enough vaccine and the second jabs will never materialise and then we will be back to the beginning again. It's not just the degree of protection but also the duration surely?

Since it's the Pfizer vaccine that has only been validated for 3 weeks they could perhaps stick to 3-4 weeks for the Pfizer with 12 weeks for the Oxford, which most people will be having anyway.

I think your post should be in upper case and bold, mumofmadboys!

I imagine a 3 week gap between vaccines was trialled because time is short. There will not have been time to compare say 2nd dose at 3 months and 6 months. The gap is a fairly arbitrarily chosen figure

I had the Asian 'flu one 2 weeks after the first dose. I was 17/18 at the time and working at the hospital where it was killing younger people.
They obviously knew more in the 50's !

Was their any 'contract' between older people and the NHS, not that I am \aware of.

One jab will give protection to 90% of those receiving it, whether they have a second jab or not, all the second jab does is increase the coverage to 95%. Surely better 2 million people get one jab than 1 million get 2. I will be quite happy to await the second jab (once they get round to giving me the first jab).

I totally agree that the time lapse in giving the second dose to the pensioners who had the first dose was wrong. The contract between them and N.H.S was one dose and booked appointments for 3 weeks later for second dose. The clinical trials were based on that also. To then cancel all appointments for the second dose by the Government as they apparently know best is not good policy. Does it matter? Yes it does and look how patients are being discharged back into care homes again, I watched a program on it last night and the male nurse working in the care home was in tears as he had two covid patients and they were not going to survive he said it was worse than the last wave.

Excellent discussion about the efficacy of one dose right now on More or Less on Radio 4. Includes why the 12-week interval is a good idea.

On the One Show this evening was a scientist -didn't catch her name.She answered a variety of questions on the vaccination.Very clearly and I had every confidence listening to her.She stressed it is the Regulators decision for the gap between doses,not the Governments and that it was based on evolving scientific evidence.All available in the public domain,That will do for me.I'm not an experienced scientist.Neither is Dame JB.