It's just been announced that we have passed 100,000 deaths.

I thought Nicola Sturgeon was under the cosh paddyanne for Scotland having the worst per capita vaccination roll-out percentage of the four nations? Makes a change for it not to be Wales.

that arguement doesn't work this side of the border,the over 65's are apparently the people who are most suspicious of Independnce so voted against it ..yet our government has vaccinated over 96% of care home occupants and 51 5 of over 80's living at home .

Jaxie

The government are prioritising vaccination for oldies because those people are the daft bu—ers who vote for them.

I would love to see things from your point of view but I can't get may head that far up my own bum.

Hope you have a lovey evening.

Like Piers and Susanna or not- but they are saying how it is. Johnson sorrow about the 100000 deaths and rising, just did sound so so hollow
www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news/westminster-news/robert-jenrick-good-morning-britain-7075416?jwsource=cl

The government are prioritising vaccination for oldies because those people are the daft bu—ers who vote for them.

I don’t know if people have seen this or not:
www.bbc.com/news/55669736
It’s worth reading because it questions whether Christmas and New Year socialising had the impact in terms of numbers spiking that people assumed before, and continue to use as the main reason for the spike.

LuckyFour

My DH and I both had our vaccinations last week. I think they are looking after us. My surgery has been excellent, can't fault any of it.
The 1 million deaths news is shocking but I believe people did whatever they wanted over Christmas and New Year. Some people think the rules apply to others but not to themselves. That's who I blame. Harsh but true.

It's Christmas and New Year combined with the new strain. The very worst thing that could have happened.

Some people were going to do what they wanted what ever the rules were.

I can't fault the vaccine roll out. All the 80+ we know have been done and DH had his on Monday. I will have to wait my turn which if fine.

Rosina

I am not sure that the true figures for any country will ever be accurately published. The majority who have died here are over seventy; does it not follow that many of that group would have died fairly soon in any event, but the end has been hastened? It also seems to be a given that many hospitals are putting Covid on death certificates as a post mortem is not required. No doubt many will leap to correct me, but if those are true facts, then how can we be sure of numbers? On reflection, statistics make little difference to those who have died or indeed to their grieving relatives.

Can I suggest that you read this thread, by a doctor, Rosina?

twitter.com/DrDomPimenta/status/1354041694430371841

If you can't cope with twitter I could put it into a simpler form for you,

It is clear that doctors are not just entering covid on death certificates willy nilly... Why would a post mortem be needed when it is perfectly clear what a patient has died from?

Anyway, read the thread, which covers post mortems, too...

Well that's all right then. Glad you feel so sanguine about the death rate.

I know I will get shouted at but can we put it in perspective? 100,000 is a horrendous figure and one that could, possibly, have been lower but it's pointless talking about what could have been now. The current population of the UK is 66.65 million so 100,000 is about 0.15%, a tiny proportion. I can't find a figure but I'm sure more people have had it and recovered.

Over 10% of deaths in the UK were under the age of 65 - which is over 10,000 people most of whom would not have otherwise died. It is tragic when anybody dies unnecessarily, particularly as many in the lower age groups had no underlying conditions.

According to Worldometers yesterday, it is now Gibraltar which is no 1 with deaths per capita. We are no 5.

I am not sure that the true figures for any country will ever be accurately published. The majority who have died here are over seventy; does it not follow that many of that group would have died fairly soon in any event, but the end has been hastened? It also seems to be a given that many hospitals are putting Covid on death certificates as a post mortem is not required. No doubt many will leap to correct me, but if those are true facts, then how can we be sure of numbers? On reflection, statistics make little difference to those who have died or indeed to their grieving relatives.

Sorry to have kept on talking about this but I really do think its important and relevant for how this pandemic has been reported in general.

Its a good headline for the press to say "Highest death toll in the world" but not nearly so good for sales to say "Other countries continue to have higher rates than us". So data is cherry picked to influence the behaviour and response of the public. If its not important whether we are first or fifth, why do posters keep unknowingly repeating the misleading headline?

Answer: Because it generates emotional responses.

But, no more from me. Until the next misleading headline comes out.

Alegrias1

Yes Miss. Sorry Miss.

There's lots of usefulness about trying to prevent people being given wrong information but hey, lets go with it.

Sorry, Alegrias, but it really seems like angels on pin heads level. What is to be gained by knowing that we rank 1st or 5th in the worlds? How is it going to change our responses? Is it going to change our responses?

I am, in other contexts, usually in agreement for the need for accuracy. But not in this one.

BusterTank

It's so sad and my heart goes out to anyone who has lost someone . Cases are dropping because we are locked up . Once the flood gates are opened again the cases will begin to rise . Over the summer months cases will be lower because people are outside more . Come the autumn and winter we will have another spike and be back in the same situation . With the virus keeps mutating the scientist will have to come up with vaccine . The scientist didn't fore tell this amount of death and with the virus mutating they really don't have a clue what they are up against .

I'm a bit worried about this, in the above post:

With the virus keeps mutating the scientist will have to come up with vaccine .

I do hope that the poster knows that we do have a vaccine...

The scientist didn't fore tell this amount of death

Some of them certainly did, and once the first spike was over a great many people started to talk them down, questioning their modelling and and making them out to be know-nothings...

I think they may be vindicated now.

Yes Miss. Sorry Miss.

There's lots of usefulness about trying to prevent people being given wrong information but hey, lets go with it.

Alegrias1

Yes, I agree with you about that growstuff. I do know how to sort on Worldometer

Number of new cases per capita isn't the same as death rate though, is it? ?‍♀‍

Do you think that the bickering could stop about this? We are agreed, it's very bad. There is no usefulness attached to getting indignant about where we are in the world league table for deaths.

If we have more new cases per capita it seems very likely that in a week or two we could still be having the highest number of daily deaths in the world. And people will still be confusing the two statistics.

My DH and I both had our vaccinations last week. I think they are looking after us. My surgery has been excellent, can't fault any of it.
The 1 million deaths news is shocking but I believe people did whatever they wanted over Christmas and New Year. Some people think the rules apply to others but not to themselves. That's who I blame. Harsh but true.

Yes, I agree with you about that growstuff. I do know how to sort on Worldometer

Number of new cases per capita isn't the same as death rate though, is it? ?‍♀‍

Kandinsky

This was ( is ) a national emergency - there should have been a coalition government assembled ASAP.

Totally agree with this.

Alegrias1

^For the last couple of weeks, we have had the highest death toll in the world.^

That's not misinformation.

We had the highest daily death toll in the world in the single week up to the 17th January. Other countries such as Belgium have had lower deaths in that week but have had more deaths per head of population overall.

We do not have the highest death toll in the world, either per capita or in absolute numbers.

Ergo, misinformation. maddyone is correct. See attached from the Worldometer site.

www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

This is important because if people don't know the true facts behind the news, they are easier to mislead.

Sorry, not going to argue with you. (Sigh) Can't be bothered. Try editing your info differently. Worldometer shows quite clearly that the UK has the highest number of new cases per capita. Am about to start work and can't be bothered to do a cut and paste job.

Yes mistakes have been made - by the government and by the people - that is - all - if not most of us. We are human - we enjoy And thrive living in a free liberal western society. As a country we may not be as obedient as those citizens in Germany or Japan. As a country we are not subject to authoritarian leaders such as in China or Russia. So how do we cope with a virus that reduces everyone to the same level of incompetence?

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For the last couple of weeks, we have had the highest death toll in the world.

That's not misinformation.

We had the highest daily death toll in the world in the single week up to the 17th January. Other countries such as Belgium have had lower deaths in that week but have had more deaths per head of population overall.

We do not have the highest death toll in the world, either per capita or in absolute numbers.

Ergo, misinformation. maddyone is correct. See attached from the Worldometer site.

www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

This is important because if people don't know the true facts behind the news, they are easier to mislead.

Most people don't need to go into solitary confinement, but workplaces need to make sure that workplaces are as safe as they can be.