Shielding list to add extra people

suziewoozie

growstuff

T1 diabetics can increase their insulin to counteract the carbs.

But he doesn’t - the secret lies in the recipe ?

What's in it?

4allweknow

Some within the new categories should probably have been shielding earlier. Not all ethnic however pay any attention or have paid any attention to the guidance. Time and time again I gave seen loads of people going to and fro into houses where they do not live to visit. I have commented a couple of times on how many cars are parked in the driveways/at the doors and that there are a lot of visitors only to be told "oh can't keep them away and I'm so popular". And,thus is not in a poor, underprivileged postcode, in fact quite the opposite.

What does ‘not all ethnic’ mean and who are you referring to in the rest of your post?

Yes The Letter has arrived, 2nd this lockdown but the date of ‘release’ has changed considerably, Oddly although my husband has always been in the CEV group from the beginning of the pandemic he had the vaccination at the same time as all over 80s despite all his problems and time spent in hospital March last year. Not quite sure what this means now if things are ‘improving’. Anyway we will still Take care Stay home, and follow the rules?

The whole article is very unclear.

I would like to know what "poor neighbourhood's" mean and how a Dr is supposed to know the financial state of their patients in order to send out these letters?

Also, if "poor" or low status workers cant work, who will do the essential jobs? It sounds like Tory fudging. I cant see how they will enforce it.

OnwardandUpward

The whole article is very unclear.

I would like to know what "poor neighbourhood's" mean and how a Dr is supposed to know the financial state of their patients in order to send out these letters?

Also, if "poor" or low status workers cant work, who will do the essential jobs? It sounds like Tory fudging. I cant see how they will enforce it.

It’s done on post codes and GPS have your post code. Using post codes to identify areas of deprivation is used widely for all sorts of purposes within government.

I see - we live in a "poor neighbourhood" so that could have added to my danger points.

I’ve been pushed down the list because well controlled asthma is not considered as high a risk as was first thought. While I am pleased about this and make sure my asthma is well controlled, l take a preventative inhaler which has a long acting reliever every day of my life at a medium dose. I have always been susceptible to chest infections when I get a virus and have had several nasty asthma attacks in my life - thankfully asthma medication has changed out of all recognition in my lifetime. I have moderate asthma and have had it all my life along with hay fever and eczema. Because of this I have been very careful all year as I still think l could be quite poorly if l caught COVID, even if I were no more likely to die than anyone else. I have also struggled with my weight most of my life but never anywhere near the point of some people and I feel rather miffed that these people will be having the vaccine before me. I know this is not the right attitude but, even though I know from personal experience that there is a lot more to weight control than meets the eye, l do feel that when people reach 20 stones, say, they should surely try a bit harder to lose it. This is one area that is in someone’s control, unlike the other illnesses on the new shielding list.

I'm mortified to think I may be higher on the list because of my weight. (I'm not 20 stones, by the way!)

It is a BMI of 40+, which is considered morbidly obese. I would imagine there are other factors for you, MissAdventure.

Phew! It's nowhere near morbidly obese levels.
I won't be shielding, anyway.

Musicgirl. Was it pulmicort inhalers that have been found to be helpful in the treatment of covid patients?

I’m not sure, to be honest. I have Flutiform.

growstuff

Blinko I tried all of them last year. Pharmacy4U don't deliver to my area.

It's something to do with my GP practice not being signed up for some digital service or other. I spoke to the practice manager about it. Apparently, they're trying to save their own onsite pharmacy and are worried that if people signed up for home deliveries, they'd have to shut, which means that the people living in the sticks (it's a semi-rural practice) wouldn't be able to get prescriptions made up at the same time as they have appointments.

Sorry to hear that, Grow . What a pain it all is!

For many of us who have been shielding for the last year, it has been impossible to have medication delivered. I live in a large town, so no excuse. I have ask family to get it.
However, if you need help, there is number where you can phone your local council for help. They can arrange volunteers.
The number is: 0800 111 4000

Blinko

growstuff

Blinko I tried all of them last year. Pharmacy4U don't deliver to my area.

It's something to do with my GP practice not being signed up for some digital service or other. I spoke to the practice manager about it. Apparently, they're trying to save their own onsite pharmacy and are worried that if people signed up for home deliveries, they'd have to shut, which means that the people living in the sticks (it's a semi-rural practice) wouldn't be able to get prescriptions made up at the same time as they have appointments.

Sorry to hear that, Grow . What a pain it all is!

In practice, it really isn't such a pain. If I were forced to self-isolate, I know there are people who would pick my medication up. The individual pharmacies would offer their own delivery service too, if I were on the SPL and the GP requested it.

I was bemused more than anything at how Neanderthal my GP practice's system still is. It relies on somebody from the pharmacy walking about a mile (both ways) to pick up paper prescriptions, when it could all be done digitally. I order online, but after that, everything goes to paper. When I pick up my prescriptions, it's been mislaid maybe 1 in 4 times. The pharmacist then has to wade through a huge pile of prescription forms.

When this all kicked off, I was determined to organise everything as efficiently as possible, requiring the absolute minimum of personal contact. I'd seen all the ads for home delivery of medications, so thought it would be easy to arrange, but it isn't. I suppose I should be grateful that my GP practice wants to keep it all within the NHS, but it's one example of where the private sector could provide something more efficiently and provide patients with a better service.

The algorithm used to decide which people should be on the list is quite complicated. The complete list of criteria is available in the public domain, but without the computer software to calculate the data, it's difficult to use.

If people are concerned that they should be on the list or don't want to be on the list, they should read this:

Managing my entry on the SPL

If you think you should be added to the SPL you should speak to your GP. They will be able to discuss your circumstances with you and, if appropriate, add you to the SPL.

You can also request to be removed from the SPL by asking your GP. They will add a low or moderate flag (note) to your record and you will be removed from the SPL within a short period of time (up to two weeks).

digital.nhs.uk/coronavirus/shielded-patient-list/shielded-patient-list-transparency-notice#managing-my-entry-on-the-spl

It has been calculated that the majority of people who have died from Covid-19 would be classified as in the most vulnerable 2%, according to the algorithm.

The list is being doubled to include approximately the most vulnerable 4%. People are advised to take extra precautions by shielding themselves and are being offered extra support, but aren't being forced to do anything which everybody else isn't doing.

suziewoozie

OnwardandUpward

The whole article is very unclear.

I would like to know what "poor neighbourhood's" mean and how a Dr is supposed to know the financial state of their patients in order to send out these letters?

Also, if "poor" or low status workers cant work, who will do the essential jobs? It sounds like Tory fudging. I cant see how they will enforce it.

It’s done on post codes and GPS have your post code. Using post codes to identify areas of deprivation is used widely for all sorts of purposes within government.

There is also a strong correlation between high incidence rates and areas of deprivation, so somebody in a "poor" area is more likely to be infected from community transmission. The NHS doesn't have data on what kind of housing people live in, but it can work out whether people are more likely to live in overcrowded housing just from the postcode. On its own, that wouldn't be enough to place somebody on the SPL. I think age is still the most important factor. It's more about offering people additional support rather than locking them up.

Why it might be worth checking what details the NHS holds about you:

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/invited-covid-vaccine-because-nhs-19857990

Very informative Growstuff thanks. A few of you on here are very helpful and thorough with their links and explanations. Do you have a medical/scientific/research background? I’m impressed!

Not medical or scientific, but I have been (and still am sometimes) a serious historical researcher. Many years ago, I had plans to be a journalist.

It shows Growstuff!

It seems shielding has been a blunt instrument. Better than no official shielding though.

Thanks to suzie and growstuff - and any others who have given factual information on this subject.
Otherwise so many unknowns and rumour-spreading.

If you are in this category and have had covid and first vaccination, does this extra time apply to you?

susytish

If you are in this category and have had covid and first vaccination, does this extra time apply to you?

Yes