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Indian variant - Is anyone else incredulous at Boris yet again having shut the stable door after the horse has bolted?!

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Stillwaters Sat 15-May-21 10:58:16

Well, I say incredulous, but I'm not -just exasperated at being in this situation yet again; his not shutting our borders to India the moment this became known risks delaying lockdown measures being lifted, and a huge rise in hospitalisations. Grrrrr

MaizieD Sat 15-May-21 23:46:54

Jaxjacky

What a gross generalisation MayBee70, our pub will have approx 70% of customers with one vaccination and at a guess 30% -45% with two. You sanitise, walk in, sign in, with a mask on, sit at a table, place your order, table service, if your bum leaves your seat, mask is on. Tables limited to 6, no table hopping, no standing, if you break the rules you’re out. Safer than a supermarket. I object to your statement, have you been to a pub in the last year?

Unless the pub has excellent ventilation it won't be safer than a supermarket at all. The prime cause of infection is by breathing in aerosols, which can linger in the air for a long time if ventilation is poor. You could be sitting for a long period in an aerosol 'cloud' , in danger of infection every time you drop your mask to drink or eat. Distancing makes little difference in those circumstances and there is nothing magical about being restricted to 6 at a table. Being vaccinated doesn't reliably prevent infection, just makes it less severe.

Supermarkets much safer as you don't linger in those aerosols and you don't remove your mask. They're probably better ventilated, too.

It's of course down to individual choice whether or not one sits inside a pub or restaurant, but it has its risks.

Understanding of the significance of aerosols and how they behave has been very slow to sink in. Which has meant that their importance has not been properly recognised and advice properly targeted until quite recently.

Loopy1906 Sat 15-May-21 22:38:19

They are supposed to provide 2 negative Covid tests before boarding plane as well as isolate back here on British soil, they haven’t done either. They have also rammed every flight going coming in from other avenues to get here. They lied, How has it spread so much so quickly. Because they refuse to isolate. This country was almost in the clear

Dinahmo Sat 15-May-21 22:35:07

ie the people who are moaning.

Dinahmo Sat 15-May-21 22:33:18

Callistemon

PippaZ

Dinahmo

At least by sticking to the rules we are still here. I for one am grateful.

That is a nail well hit on the head Dinahmo. Whoever and whatever it is certainly good to be here.

So what you are saying is that those who died are themselves to blame for not sticking to the rules?

Incredible!!

Don't be so facile. The we are the people on this forum who are writing the above comments.

Callistemon Sat 15-May-21 22:11:41

It wasn't what you said though.

I was thinking of all the NHS wor kers and other healthcare staff, bus drivers, those on the frontline and people in care homes, hospitals etc who could not stay isolated and caught Covid and died through no fault of their own.

Not everyone could stay home, stay safe.
Those who could stick to the rules are the lucky ones.

PippaZ Sat 15-May-21 22:04:06

We have no idea if my mother died from Covid or not. Four people died of something in her home at that time - the middle of February and we did not lock down until March. No one was attributing such deaths to Covid at that time. I would rather think it was old age but it certainly made me aware of the feelings of those losing loved ones as the numbers escalted and I am glad for all that we have, so far, got some hold on the virus.

I cannot see how you can make the leap from me agreeing that I am glad to be alive to the suggestion that I was blaming anyone else for anything. I don't think I have ever seen a post quite like that on GN.

Callistemon Sat 15-May-21 21:49:26

This:
At least by sticking to the rules we are still here
That is the comment which comes very close to being disgusting.

Not mine who thought it was an incredible thing to allege.

I'm truly sorry if your mother died from Covid, really I am. It is all very distressing.

We have lost many people over the past 18 months too.

PippaZ Sat 15-May-21 21:40:14

No, it should be did. I meant I said nothing that could lead anyone to think I was blaming those who died. That is a very sick suggestion to make.

PippaZ Sat 15-May-21 21:35:15

-did- didn't

PippaZ Sat 15-May-21 21:34:19

Callistemon

Of course we're glad to still be here, we did try to stick to the rules but many have died through no fault of their own and had also ^stuck to the rules.^

I never came anywhere near saying they did Callistemon. I have no idea why you are continuing with this insulting comment. I don't think, for instance, that is was my mother's fault she died when she did.

I will not reply further. These comment come very close to being disgusting.

Teacheranne Sat 15-May-21 21:32:57

Casdon

There’s a picture of Priti Patel having her first COVID vaccine this morning on the BBC news webpage. She met ministers from India last week when the delegation was in the UK - and she’s 49- odd.

I saw this article as well and was surprised that Priti Patel was having her first injection today when being aged 49, she could have had it some time ago. I expected newspapers to have made a fuss and challenged her on this.

Callistemon Sat 15-May-21 21:04:40

Of course we're glad to still be here, we did try to stick to the rules but many have died through no fault of their own and had also stuck to the rules.

PippaZ Sat 15-May-21 21:00:36

Callistemon

PippaZ

Dinahmo

At least by sticking to the rules we are still here. I for one am grateful.

That is a nail well hit on the head Dinahmo. Whoever and whatever it is certainly good to be here.

So what you are saying is that those who died are themselves to blame for not sticking to the rules?

Incredible!!

No Dinahmo. That was neither what I said or inferred. Sadly many died last year and this year who will be sorely missed. As my own mother died last February I am hardly likely to be saying such things. But is has to be said that I, and by the look of it Dinahmo are glad to have survived this difficult time.

Callistemon Sat 15-May-21 20:49:42

PippaZ

Dinahmo

At least by sticking to the rules we are still here. I for one am grateful.

That is a nail well hit on the head Dinahmo. Whoever and whatever it is certainly good to be here.

So what you are saying is that those who died are themselves to blame for not sticking to the rules?

Incredible!!

Callistemon Sat 15-May-21 20:47:13

PippaZ

Atqui

Haven’t we discussed this on another couple of threads? But my reaction is still the same: “Why did WE bloody bother ( doing as we were told)”

Because we are adults? Although I may have got that wrong. May I ask how old you are?

I do wonder, though, if all our efforts may prove futile in the face of variants brought from overseas.

It's irrelevant how old Atqui is, surely?
If old then possibly vulnerable and understandably miffed if he or she has been careful for the past 18 months.

Jaxjacky Sat 15-May-21 20:45:09

What a gross generalisation MayBee70, our pub will have approx 70% of customers with one vaccination and at a guess 30% -45% with two. You sanitise, walk in, sign in, with a mask on, sit at a table, place your order, table service, if your bum leaves your seat, mask is on. Tables limited to 6, no table hopping, no standing, if you break the rules you’re out. Safer than a supermarket. I object to your statement, have you been to a pub in the last year?

Callistemon Sat 15-May-21 20:42:15

Didn’t his dad say last year that he would continue to go to the pub if he wanted to when other people were being asked not to?

Amazing as pubs were shut.

Callistemon Sat 15-May-21 20:40:57

Casdon

Australia figures include people in hotel quarantine as well though, they are repatriating their own citizens from India but their quarantine is very strict so it’s unlikely it will get out of control there.

70 repatriated out of many thousands after protests and pressure from the community.

Meanwhile, many other thousands of Australians are still stranded in other countries after many months.

Callistemon Sat 15-May-21 20:36:52

Oh dear - sp.

EllanVannin

Callistemon Sat 15-May-21 20:36:17

WllanVannin

I'm sorry you felt really ill after your first vaccination and I'm not sure which one you had.
I did feel ill after the first one (Pfizer) but not so bad after the second, my theory being that my resistance had been built up.

It's probably better than catching Covid when you might get very ill or even worse.

PippaZ Sat 15-May-21 20:31:41

Dinahmo

At least by sticking to the rules we are still here. I for one am grateful.

That is a nail well hit on the head Dinahmo. Whoever and whatever it is certainly good to be here.

Dinahmo Sat 15-May-21 20:27:10

At least by sticking to the rules we are still here. I for one am grateful.

JustMe Sat 15-May-21 20:14:42

It just hacks me off big time.

I haven't seen my DCs since Christmas. (I know I know people are going through far worse) but I miss seeing them. Both of them have totally stuck by the rules.

JustMe Sat 15-May-21 20:13:03

Yes he did. Pictures of him when it was absolutely mandatory to wear a mask... him maskless.

How does that help the general message? It doesn't.

Sarnia on your post saying why were they there? There are many people with family in India and I suppose they thought it was right to travel there or back.
Agree on the trade deal, my link above shows that. It was the whole thing that drove this.

And here we are...

MayBee70 Sat 15-May-21 19:42:29

JustMe

*He could have more control over the situation just by obeying the rules he set for himself*

The trouble is, I am dubious. For instance, his Dad flying to Greece last year to 'prepare his apartment' when everyone else was locked down, so let's see if Greece suddenly becomes green!

We cannot blame it all on those who flout the rules I don't think.
Mixed messages, changes at the last minute, knee jerk reactions have all contributed to this. (As well of course those who do break the rules!)

Didn’t his dad say last year that he would continue to go to the pub if he wanted to when other people were being asked not to? Didn’t beware a mask when going into a shop, etc