Dominic Cummings

I should think Cummings appearing to be a white knight, is something to do with the fact that posters who dislike the present government now choose to believe every word he says is gospel.?

lemongrove

GrannyGravy13

PippaZ just because you do not agree with someone’s opinion/narrative does not mean it is whataboutery

An enquiry has to delve through the minutia of evidence, discard the lies and false/constructed evidence and draw a conclusion.

....but ‘whataboutery’ and ‘gaslighting’ are the ‘in’ words doncha know! ? Although....the younger people may have moved onto other words by now, GN is always a bit behind on that sort of thing.

Still making silly comments about something that has resulted in 120,000 deaths? I wonder what the most up to date word for that is?

leeds22

Well at least he made Bernard Castle famous.

Is that Barbara’s husband??

GrannyGravy13

PippaZ just because you do not agree with someone’s opinion/narrative does not mean it is whataboutery

An enquiry has to delve through the minutia of evidence, discard the lies and false/constructed evidence and draw a conclusion.

....but ‘whataboutery’ and ‘gaslighting’ are the ‘in’ words doncha know! ? Although....the younger people may have moved onto other words by now, GN is always a bit behind on that sort of thing.

Gannygangan

*Could you show me exactly where anyone has painted Cummings as a "white knight"*

Where did I claim anything of the sort, Pippa?

I said appeared

Surely you understand the difference.

That sounds like something an MP or SPAD could have said to justify a level of character assasination.

Could you, therefore, quote what "appeared" to be someone painting Cummings as a white knight. Someone must have said something to make you suggest that.

Cummings has shown himself to be an unreliable witness with his own admission that he was economical with the truth about his jaunt to Durham during lockdown. He may be telling the honest truth now but who knows? What I find the most amazing is that these clowns are running the country!

For anyone taking this seriously and not just point scoring WATO has done some fact-checking on what we actually know. Hopefully this will take you there. It starts at 13.19.

This avoids any character assassination in either direction - it is about the facts.

Could you show me exactly where anyone has painted Cummings as a "white knight"

Where did I claim anything of the sort, Pippa?

I said appeared

Surely you understand the difference.

One of the things I’ve never understood is government constantly saying they didn’t know about asymptomatic carriers when the evidence had been there since January of last year.

Gannygangan

However, I am still bewildered as to why Cummings appears to have turned into a white knight when posters on this very thread were ripping him to pieces last year. [Thu 27-May-21 10:25:10]

Could you show me exactly where anyone has painted Cummings as a "white knight"? Please stop these unsubstantiated attempts to blacken the views of others. If it's true - quote it.

Cummings personal opinions will affect the Conservative Party but with the pick of salt that goes with knowing they are very personal. He has targeted some he dislikes and not mentioned others. He mentioned Matt Hancock so often that it did feel personal but if it can be shown Hancock lied about PPE stocks, testing in care homes, the 100,000 daily test target or lost the confidence of top civil servants we need to take notice of it, so these things will have to be investigated.

His eye-witness testimony cannot be dismissed partly because it backs up the thoughts and lived experience of many. If we were told once we were told far too many times about the areas Johnson had "put his arms around" which turned out just not to be true.

Said on Sky news that it was a pool interview. I assume that means that the same interview was shown on all news channels but some bits had been edited out. Wonder why?

Interesting interview with Johnson on BBC just now. Twice edited and Johnson very red in the face. Also refused to say that he didn’t make the bodies piling high comment.

They would not be trying to establish ‘his’ truth Maddyone.....

Where did I say they would be trying to establish his truth? I said that they would try to establish the truth. Don’t put words in my mouth!

“ However, I am still bewildered as to why Cummings appears to have turned into a white knight when posters on this very thread were ripping him to pieces last year. ”.
I have yet to see anyone doing this.

The point is if the man has evidence it matters not that he is a weasel .

Well at least he made Bernard Castle famous.

On his return from Durham and Barnard Castle he did have a baying mob of journalists outside his home which many on GN thought he deserved.

So is there a situation whereby a baying mob is in the right?

Apparently Cummings has offered MPs documents, emails etc to support his claims. I suspect that this is going to run and run.

maddyone

Whatever else we may disagree on, I suspect that all of us can believe that Dominic Cummings has lied. I guess an inquiry would try to establish the truth from the various conflicting things he has claimed. They will need to look at other sources to try to establish the truth.

They would not be trying to establish 'his' truth Maddyone, but the overall truth. His would be part of the views explored as would the fact that those involved would have to answer all the questions they have so far avoided.

GrannyGravy13

25Avalon his latest truth is that a large baying mob had gathered outside his home threatening to break in a kill all the occupants.

The sensible thing to do would have been to alert the police as a gathering of any sort was against Covid rules/guidelines and death threats are against the law.

It wouldn't suprise me if he felt like that. Trial by baying mob seems to be what we have decended to. I sincerely hope we put all this on a proper footing, with and inquiry, as soon as possible so we can leave both the mob and the hyperbole behind.

He’s out for revenge pure and simple and the ones on here demonising him not so long ago are now salivating with pleasure at what he’s now doing. He was responsible for Sajid Javid resigning too.

The hypocrisy shown on this forum by certain posters over all kinds of threads is eye opening. Lots of would be politicians methinks.

Urmstongran

At the end of the day the thing that people will remember is the success of the vaccine programme.

It’s freed the nation. This is what people will remember.

I really don't think all "people" are that shallow.

Gannygangan

*There were over 695.8 thousand deaths in the United Kingdom in 2020, compared with 604 thousand in 2019.*

So by my calculation we had 90 thousand excess deaths.

www.statista.com/statistics/281488/number-of-deaths-in-the-united-kingdom-uk/

Aah! But we didn't have many cases of flu last winter so you can increase your 90,000 figure by the number that usually succumb to flu. The BMJ say that between 10,000 and 25,000 people die from flu each year.

Secondly, the number of deaths from covid is over a period longer than 12 months.

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2

I do wonder if those damning Cummings for the lies he spun yesterday are wondering about Brexit now and the lies he told us before and since the referendum.

Turn that on its head...

Maybe all the people believing Dominic Cummings evidence yesterday are now wondering if what he said during the 2016 Brexit Campaig was/ could become true?

It keeps being suggested that people believe what was said yesterday. It may be your way to decide, there and then, about what was said but it is not a question of what people believed, but that it raises more questions and supports some previously reached opinions.

No one can come to any conclusion until we have an INQUIRY, which the Johnson government is delaying.

maddyone

It would be preferable to have this discussion without bringing Brexit into it. This discussion is about Dominic Cummings evidence yesterday.

Who decided that maddyone? The title is Dominic Cummings. The OP gives reference to yesterday but does not put any limit on "Dominic Cummings" as far as I can see.

Whitewavemark2

I do wonder if those damning Cummings for the lies he spun yesterday are wondering about Brexit now and the lies he told us before and since the referendum.

"“True ignorance is not the absence of knowledge, but the refusal to acquire it.” This certainly has the ring of current truth. Many of the vote leave crowd never wanted the truth; they were happy for ignorance to win the day.